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              <text>Interview 1&#13;
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00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
00:38	&#13;
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Track 2	&#13;
00:00	Born 20 June 1932 in Subiaco. Father had been born in Singapore. Grandfather worked as company secretary for Wearne Brothers, Singapore. His mother’s father was from the Isle of Man. Attended Subiaco school until 1942. Then moved to the farm at Koorda in the wheat belt. Schooled in a one room school in Koorda. He moved to live with his maternal grandmothers in South Cottesloe in 1943. He caught the steam train from Mosman Park to Subiaco. Subiaco centre was industrial with warehouses and shunting sheds. He spent time as a child watching the locomotives shunting. The loco drivers used to let him ride on the footplate.&#13;
06:41	He won a scholarship to Perth Modern School as did his brother and sister. It was a co-ed school but the girls and boys were segregated. Most of the other children were from local schools as there were no boarding facilities. He matriculated in 1949 and always wanted to be an engineer. By 1948, they were back in the family home in West Subiaco. He rode his bicycle on weekends to Perth airport in Maylands. He was very interested in aircraft engines and design. He was awarded an exhibition for entry to UWA.&#13;
11:25	UWA was centred at Winthrop Hall. There was no Reid Library. The engineering faculty was located at Shenton House which made them independent of the rest of the campus. George Munns was the gardener and he used a horse and cart. The Engineering School had a handful of retired war veterans as students. Their experience encouraged John to travel. Two of them commuted by dingy from Como across the river.&#13;
15:17	The engineering degree was 5 years. The fourth year contained practical experience in industry. From September 1952 to March 1953 John worked with Commonwealth Aircraft at Fisherman’s Bend in Melbourne. CAC was building jet engines. The bulk of students were in Civil Engineering and they worked at the Public Works Department or the Water Board. In John’s final year there were only 5 studying mechanical engineering.&#13;
20:03	At that time there was no Professorial Head of School. Ray Minchin and Gordon Lutz were the teachers. They had practical experience in industry. The first year was a general year when students studies civil, electrical and mechanical engineering. Civil engineering was more popular perhaps because it seemed more relevant. There were a lot of State cadetships. The engineering students were quite separate from the rest of the campus. There was great rivalry between the engineering students and the law students. They used to have a tug of war. John recalled the 1950 graduation ceremony where Sir James Mitchell was asked to be the speaker. A student dressed up as him and came on and did a ‘speech’ before the official speaker arrived.&#13;
29:09	There were sporting competitions such as the Goyder Cup. There was an Engineers Ball every year. One year the ball was open to the public. There was a mock bull fight in St George’s Terrace put on by 3 engineering students. They also took part in PROSH. &#13;
31:41	The lectures took place in Shenton House. The laboratories were buildings over from the Second World War. They contained boilers and steam engines. John was very happy with the course. He particularly enjoyed the practical experience in industry. In 1953 to 1954 he did a second stint in industry where he was a machine shop inspector at Chamberlain Industries. A superintendent there called Bert Webster really took John under his wing and increased his interest in gears and gear levers. This led to his topic for his Honours dissertation where he obtained First Class Honours. He chose to study the stress between one gear tooth and the other gear tooth using photoelasticity . &#13;
39:27	Although John’s Hon ours dissertation had very slight practical application he stayed interested in measurement and gauging. This had application later on when he did his Masters. By the 1960s, pneumatic gauging was quite widely used. Today air gauging is a thing of the past and measurement is done electronically.&#13;
43:17	The Second World War had an impact on Perth and industry. Chamberlain’s in Welshpool used to be the munitions factory. There were the State Implement Works and Midland Junction Railway Workshops were building marine engines. There was plenty of opportunity to work in industry in WA but John wanted to go overseas and applied for a graduate apprenticeship at the English Electric Company in Preston, Lancashire. Due to the difference in university terms between Australia and England he spent some time working at the Ford Motor Factory in North Fremantle which later became a brewery at the beginning of 1955. While working here an engine crushed the big toe on his right foot. As a result of this, he came very passionate about industrial safety and introduced this subject when he was lecturing.&#13;
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Interview 2&#13;
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00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
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00:00	In 1955, John was a graduate apprentice at the English Electric Company in Preston which designed diesel electric locomotives that were exported all over the world. Most of the manufacturing in WA was on a very small scale. English Electric’s Deltic engine was very efficient and very effective. The railway locomotive plant was in one building and the aircraft building was across a cobbled street. EEC paid for John to travel there by ship. They had factories all over the UK. In the 1950s EEC was the place to be to experience design and construction.&#13;
05:48	Towards the tail end of his apprenticeship there John saw the UWA lecturer position advertised on the notice board. He felt that he could use his experience in industry to assist UWA students to learn and understand about the practical use of mechanical engineering. The Ford factory experience led to him incorporating industrial safety into the final year of the course. English Electric had a good safety record. &#13;
09:56	Back in Perth John was offered a University house for rent south of the campus for 6 months until they bought a house in Daglish. The Engineering Faculty was still small although student numbers had increased enough to warrant another lecturer position. John taught the methods of conventional manufacture with lectures and hands on experience in the labs. John enjoyed the freedom of being a university lecturer. He took the students out to visit factories and plants. Civil engineering students were still going into the State cadetship schemes. Mechanical engineering graduates tended to go to the eastern states. John experience at English Electric enabled him to teach elements of engineering design and the difference between function and manufacture.&#13;
15:43	In academia there were specific topics and lectures but the choice of research was quite free. In 1959, John acquired a Master of Engineering Science at UWA by studying air gauging. To stay in academia and retain freedom of choice in research topics it became obvious he needed a PhD. He was granted study leave and applied was awarded a US Fulbright Scholarship which enabled him to study for his PhD (1964-1967) at Purdue University, Indiana, USA. His topic was the useful life of the machine cutting tool. This proved to be a useful component in the harnessing of computers and machine tools.&#13;
21:08	In last ten years of his time at UWA he was able to establish a Computer Aided Design and Manufacturing Laboratory. Students now designed on a computer rather than a drawing board. John’s Honour thesis of stressing in gears, his Masters in pneumatic gauging and then his PhD topic studying the life of machine tools all had practical application in industry at the time.&#13;
23:22	In 1977, in view of his industry interest and research, John was invited to join CIRP (College International pour la Recherche en Productique), the International Institution for Production Engineering Research, based in Paris. You had to be invited by at least one international member of that group. At the time there were only two other members in Australia – both in the eastern states. To remain an active member you or your research group had to contribute a paper every second or third year, accepted by an international jury of CIRP. John’s projects were not earth shattering but fitted quite neatly into the programmes of the other members of CIRP. For example, John’s team looked at precision grinding. A legacy of the munitions factory being located at Welshpool in WW2 meant that there was a Metrology Laboratory in the School of Engineering. John feels that these research projects were of benefit to UWA.&#13;
29:00	Later on Professor Ben Downes came out from England to be the Professor of the School of Engineering. A PhD was necessary to graduate through the ranks. John went from Senior Lecturer to Associate Professor however he was more concerned about undertaking research and forging overseas contacts in order to acquire and share knowledge that would benefit the students. A key one was the Cambridge ACDMM (Advanced Course in Design, Manufacturing and Management). CIRP involved research papers and attending international conferences. They had discipline specific groups at these conferences where wide ranging discussions took place. Quite often these conferences took place during university vacations. The Cambridge ACDMM was a full year programme which meant that he needed study leave to take part. UWA generously granted him study leave of 6-12 months on six occasions in order to take part in this programme. John found out about this on an earlier sabbatical where he was working for an aircraft orientated company in Bedford, England. &#13;
34:05	John’s first stint with ACDMM was in 1985/1986. Graduate students with a strong interest in manufacturing could apply to take part in these industry projects. There were lectures but the main part of the project was a practical component in industry solving a problem and writing a report. There would be 9 projects during that year in a specific geographic area. ACDMM had been in existence since c 1963 and ran projects each year. It was a win-win situation for all concerned. &#13;
39:40	In 1993, Cambridge accepted John for another 12 month period but told him they wanted him to find the 9 projects in the Darvel Valley in Scotland. One of these projects was with Vesuvius (UK) Ltd at Newmilns who sourced their raw materials from Capel, WA. The original lace making industry originated here also. John‘s project involved using computer generated machining. John had discovered his family origins in the Isle of Man and suggested an industrial project there. Martin-Baker Aircraft Co. Ltd provided 2 projects. &#13;
52:46	John was learning a lot. Back home, it made the UWA course more relevant. John devised a ‘Humans in Industry’ course in the final year with IFAP.&#13;
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Interview 3&#13;
Track 1	&#13;
00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
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00:00	On a study leave in 1974, John taught at Witwatersrand University in Johannesburg. Apartheid was at its peak. As an adjunct to this course he taught a 1 week graduate course in Lourenço Marques (now Maputo), Mozambique during the War of Independence as the guerrilla forces of the Mozambique Liberation Front or FRELIMO (Frente de Libertação de Moçambique) made their way to the capital. During a term vacation in 1977, he taught in Seoul, South Korea. In 1988, he lectured at Hunan University, Changsha in China. The tensions in China eventually led to the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989. In 1990, John attended a CIRP conference in Berlin when the wall came down. John retired from UWA in 1997. In 1998 he was engaged for a 12 month education project in Indonesia. He witnessed protests against President Suharto who resigned on 21 May 1998.&#13;
03:13	When John joined UWA in 1957 only the automobile industry was left operating in Australia. Korea was becoming a major power in manufacturing and also Japan and China. One of John’s PhD students was from Hunan and the invitation to teach in China came through him. John’s elder daughter was the second female student in Engineering, the first female recipient of a Clough postgraduate scholarship and is now CEO of the Water Corporation. &#13;
07:23	UWA was very generous in granting study leave every 7 years. John is also grateful for the Fulbright Scholarship that enabled him to study for his PhD in the USA (1964-1967). John’s experiences were shared with his students on his return. He was able to create new units or part units. First Years were presented with a series of lectures on Conventional Manufacturing Metallic Materials (casting, forging and machining). Senior students were given lectures and practical sessions on Unconventional Machining Methods. The senior students were assisted to design and build an EDM machine.&#13;
13:27	John established the CAD (computer aided designed) laboratory. Computer-aided design took over from drafting. It was now possible to design in 3D. Later John obtained finance to covert the CAD laboratory to a CAD CAM laboratory and obtained a computer operated lathe and a milling machine. John introduced a subject in overall manufacturing and method study. He also ran units on design for manufacture. He taught work measurement for quantity production and introduced a lecture series on Operations Research and Linear programming He developed and delivered courses on Statistical Quality Control. The final year included a unit on Humans in Industry. He also introduced lectures on verbal communication, report writing and body language.&#13;
21:47	John is grateful for the opportunities he received over his 40 years with UWA. He believes the School of Engineering at UWA stood up well in comparison with other universities in Australia and overseas. UWA is quite different today. When he turned 80, the Dean of Engineering invited John and his family back for a lunch at University House.&#13;
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                <text>Fifty years ago, the UWA engineering degree was a five-year programme. It included the equivalent of a full year of practical experience in industry, which enabled John to gain valuable experience in aircraft engine assembly with the Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation in Melbourne, and precision measurement as a machine-shop inspector with the Chamberlain tractor factory in WA.&#13;
After graduation with honours in Mechanical Engineering, he undertook a two-year graduate apprenticeship with the English Electric company, in Lancashire, England. &#13;
He was then appointed lecturer with the UWA Department of Mechanical Engineering, Later becoming an associate professor. At UWA he followed his interests in precision measurement in manufacturing, gaining a Master of Engineering Science degree which led to his being invited to serve, during a university vocation, as a UN consultant in the development of metrology and fine instruments in Seoul, South Korea. &#13;
John was later awarded a Fulbright Scholarship, enabling him to complete a PhD at Purdue University in the US. His PhD topic related both to precision measurement and the computer controlled machine tools then becoming wildly used in world industry. This resulted in his being elected one of the few Australian members of CIRP, a world-wide manufacturing research body, based in Paris. &#13;
John retired from UWA in 1997, but was then invited to serve as a consultant on a major engineering education project in Indonesia.&#13;
He has been a member of the Institution of Engineers, Australia for over fifty years, and has held a number of posts, including Chairman of the WA Division, Chairman of the National College of Mechanical Engineers and National Vice-President, responsible for Education and Assessment.</text>
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00:00:00 Introduction. Background information. Medical family. Background back to 1829 settlement of W.A. Daniel Scott’s daughters. Dr Elliot from Tasmania. Childhood and interest in architecture. Grew up in Fremantle. Playing around the old buildings during the depression. Architecture of the port city. Heritage and history. Grandfather’s house and history. Education and becoming an architect. War time schooling and reserve teachers. Christchurch and Hale schools. Sport. War. Officers from the Sydney dine at the family home. &#13;
00:11:24 Father’s connection with the military. House requisition and move to Peppermint Grove. How architecture came into view. Liking drawings. Charlie Hamilton the art critic. Athol Hobbs directs White to Perth Technical College. UWA on the horizon. Thoughts of going to sea. Experience as a cabin boy. Stumbling into architecture. &#13;
00:17:16 Memories of the Perth Technical college. Athol Hobbs senior architect and involved in the course. Could not do a university degree in architecture or medicine in Perth. Good practical course and Gus Ferguson was a graduate. Designing buildings as a student. Apprenticeship or articles. Board of Architectural Registration. Architect act and annual examinations. Lecturing in Board of Architecture subjects, especially in design.&#13;
00:22:50 Move to Curtin/WAIT. University panache and degree. Changes and competition. Moving over to the competition. Development of career. Designing while learning. Drafting a presentation and learning drawing. Draftsmen, drawing, design, high level of drafting. Learning the art of design in post-war Perth. Art deco and modernism. Standard and metric measurement. New idiom.&#13;
00:28:12 The growing industry of architecture in the 50s. Harold Krantz. Building industry restraints after the war. A lot of regulation. Competition with the building industry. Establishing own business in Fremantle. Experience of travel to Europe. Building house for parents. Darlington house breaks the rules.&#13;
00:33:50 Ethos of modernism. Process of building modern house in Perth. Budget. Innovation and development in passive solar design. Full time teaching in design. Memories of Perth Technical College and specialised subjects. Geoffrey London. Problems at Perth Technical College. Close student and staff connections. &#13;
00:40:32 Development of career as lecturer. The development of the course at UWA. Teaching design. Changing ways of thinking to fit into UWA. Different disciplines and teaching. Architects being taught to teach or to learn the subject. Good staff student ratio. Good contact with staff and students. Studio a time-consuming part of the course. &#13;
00:40:44 Becoming lecturer in 1968. The reputation of the UWA and the course. New course starts in 1966. Involved in the new buildings at WAIT. Joining the staff of WAIT. Offered a post at UWA. UWA course had been set up as a strange one. Main staff come from New Zealand. Professor Gordon Stephenson establishes the course. Memories of Gordon – makes sure he gets the first chair. Town planner. Redesigns the UWA campus. &#13;
00:48:30 Forms the staff getting involved in the course. Becoming acting head. Important teachers. Roger Johnson, Peter Middleton, Harold Marshall and acoustic research and interest in computing. Designing computer programs. Development of computing early on. Drawing on to screen. Harold Marshall research was not well-regarded. Promotion and loss of academics. &#13;
00:52:30 Development of the course 1965. Prescott and the Bachelor of Architecture. Wary of the new course. School of architecture move to Murdoch. Moving over to the opposition. Traditional course was set up. Changes in technique. Connection with course at WAIT and UWA. Women in the course. Some of the best architects are women and graduates of UWA. &#13;
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00:00:00 Gordon Stephenson’s idea for UWA. System of aesthetics and criteria and the avant-garde. Constraints by binding system and scale. Design of fine buildings. Traffic in the campus. The ring road system. Maintaining a landscape. Stevenson part of the commissioning team. Comparisons of the building designs at WAIT. Public works Department loses the contracts. Memories of Gus Ferguson, Tony Solaski* and Tony Brand. Gus Ferguson strong views on architectural design. The direct ear of Gordon Stephenson. Architects and ego.&#13;
00:06:58 Interaction with WAIT and UWA. Trying to maintain connections and difficulties experienced. Education committee in competition. Do you need two schools of architecture in Perth? The developments from the 1960s. School at UWA would be more academically based. Encouraging builders to work with students. Inspiration for the UWA School of Architecture. Reaction against too much design teaching. Redirection of the course. The basic theory could graduate with two degrees. Three year and 5 year degrees.&#13;
00:12:10 First and second degree. Diploma and Masters. Broad education in social sciences and design. Outline of the planned course for the first two years. Gordon Stephenson. Institute of Architecture. Hijacked by people Gordon Stephenson brings in. Professorial Board debate and Professor Appleyard. Harold Marshall. Selwyn Grave philosopher. People leave the university when Gordon Stephenson leaves without a successor. White left to hold the baby. &#13;
00:16:00 Teaching anthropological study of the Trobriand Islands. Staff muddle through to sort the course out. Professor to succeed Gordon Stephenson. Robert Street steps in to resolve problems. Development of the new building. Attracting Commonwealth funding. Location of the new building decided. Laurence Wilson Art Gallery. Gus Ferguson. Losing the building to computer sciences. Isolation of architecture. Nedlands and Perth City council boundary issues. &#13;
00:21:15 Isolation of the school. Quality of students fluctuates over a five year period. Len Buckeridge, Brian Klopper stand out. The Asian students and interest from Malaysian Government. Fees and political direction of University. Attracting women into the course. &#13;
00:26:00 People brought in from outside the university. Peter Brickell. Interaction with other departments. Geography Martyn Webb and architecture. Degree changes to the course. Technological advances. Importance of computing and acoustics. Harold Marshall, Derek Carruthers physicist, Geoffrey Roy engineer. Students at the ground floor of computing. Comparing to United States. Poorly-resourced university. Position of UWA and Curtin and Murdoch. Prestigious position and competition. &#13;
00:33:30 Psychology of design. Variable views. Psychology and visualising design.&#13;
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00:00:00 Leaving University 1988 and career post university. Fighting a developer. Moving to Gingin. Sole architect in small country town. Maintaining ties with UWA. Western towns and buildings book. Getting students involved in projects. Sandy cape developments. Geoffrey London, Simon Anderson and a team of students survey indigenous architecture. Keeping a distant relationship with the University. Townscape studies. Colin Moore. Living in Bunbury. &#13;
00:05:13 Involved in heritage work at York. Les Lauder and the Fremantle Society. Development and destruction of Victorian buildings in Fremantle. Resources to restore buildings. Restoration with Ian Hocking in Gingin. &#13;
00:09:36 The impression of University of WA. Suburban campus vs. city Technical College. Mixed feeling about suburban campuses. Melbourne example. Academic studies. Views of the modern buildings at UWA. Ambient environment and mediocre architecture. Learning the rule first in classical architecture. Stereotyped Gus Ferguson type design. New staff building like Mussolini’s Roman Empire. Stephenson’s thoughts and the Business School. Control over things that would be built at the university. Computerised visioning of building. Architects satisfaction with the building process. &#13;
00:16:20 Rights of an architect. Builders don’t like working for architects. Buildings affecting and creating a place. Thoughts of the buildings at university. Exhibition space at the school. Lawrence Wilson Gallery. Low density of the Nedlands campus. Looking back at time at UWA. Frustration. Full support at the university. Geoffrey London and establishing current school. Enjoying experiences. Not a born administrator. &#13;
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              <text>Wednesday 19 June 2013&#13;
Track 1	&#13;
00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
00:47	&#13;
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00:00	Full name Joyce Gertrude Billings (nee Gardiner) born in 1928. Attended a high school for girls. In 6th form Joyce was encouraged to go to London University – Royal Holloway College for women near Windsor forest. Joyce lived on campus and met other women doing all sorts of different subjects.&#13;
02:15	After 3 years Joyce stayed on and did another year of research. She was then encouraged to go to Cambridge.&#13;
02:37	Joyce won a small amount of money and was able to attend as the food and tuition was almost free.&#13;
03:18	During the vacation she did some farming work to get more pocket money. Once a term the ladies might visit London and have tea out.&#13;
03:52	There were male lecturers but no male students until right at the end of her time there when some male physics students were admitted.&#13;
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00:00	Joyce went to Girton College in Cambridge and worked with Professor Bondi the astrophysicist for two years. Joyce had met Alan in London and he got a job in Cambridge. They married in 1953 while Joyce was still at Cambridge.&#13;
00:49	The couple moved to Bristol in 1954 and Joyce relinquished academia in order to look after her family.&#13;
02:38	Alan was a lecturer in electronic engineering at Bristol for about 6 years.&#13;
03:16	Alan was looking at two jobs in the Commonwealth – one in Canada and one in Australia. He was offered the job at UWA and took it. They expected to come to Perth for only 2-3 years while the children were small.&#13;
04:20	This was all done by correspondence. There was enormous growth in Australian universities at the time. The Electrical Engineering and Electronic section of the engineering department at UWA was developed at the time. Alan saw opportunities here to continue his research as well as lecturing.&#13;
05:12	The family arrived by sea. The journey was an adventure. They had places that catered for the children so they were able to have some time on their own.&#13;
05:43	The furniture was sent in a large wooden crate on another boat. &#13;
06:14	Joyce arrived in October. The heads of department had given them some of idea of what Australia was like but they thought the house in Fremantle looked like English houses. They were struck by the number of bungalows near UWA, the spaciousness and the straight roads and the trees.&#13;
07:28	It took them a little time to realise that Perth was the only big city in Western Australia&#13;
07:45	The Billings family were put up in a house along Monash Avenue – these houses were especially for new people coming to the university. There was another set of accommodation near the University at Parkway. All the new arrivals made friends with each other as did their children. Joyce got to know the mathematicians because people working in the Maths Department lived on both Monash Avenue and Parkway.&#13;
09:07	The newcomers came from overseas and the eastern states. A lot of money was put into the universities to attract overseas staff and develop the university. New staff, new research and new ideas.&#13;
09:59	The couple saw the campus on the first day as they were met and driven around. The campus was very small and centred around Winthrop Hall. It was a very short walk to campus from Monash Avenue. New departments were being built and UWA was growing rapidly in the early 60s.&#13;
11:15	&#13;
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Track 4	&#13;
00:00	Kings Park was very sandy but it was bush where SCG Hospital is now. The children went to school along the road and Joyce was able to lecture at UWA safe in the knowledge that the children could be looked after by other families along the road if she was going to be late home.&#13;
01:00	There were gaps in the Maths Department and Joyce was available so it was easy for her to get part time work when they realised she could teach Applied Mathematics. When she became permanent she was requested to provide a CV and a reference from Cambridge.&#13;
02:34	The Mathematics Department had been going for a long time. The first book in Applied Maths that Joyce read was by Professor CE Weatherburn from London who had then moved to Perth. The Department was split into Applied Mathematics, Pure Mathematics and Statistics.&#13;
04:20	Applied Mathematics is more about how things work. There were parallels to Applied Maths and Physics, Chemistry and Engineering. Joyce taught Electrical Engineering students applied mathematics.&#13;
06:52	There were 3 women in the maths department. The women were working in the lower levels. The department was very social. Morning and afternoon tea was very social but mathematics was also discussed.&#13;
08:49	The engineering men were very well behaved especially as Joyce donned her gown for lectures. Later on staff and students dressed much more informally.&#13;
10:06	It was mainly male students. Alan Billings allowed girls in as students and appointed women staff. There was a bit of resistance to allowing women to progress at one stage.&#13;
10:50	Maths was in the administration building where the Vice Chancellor is housed today (2013). Then they moved to the Arts Buildings for about 4 years until a purpose built maths building was erected. Joyce enjoyed meeting the arts staff. In the early days, there was enormous interaction between the different faculties and staff as the campus was a lot smaller.&#13;
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00:00	One morning there were vibrations during morning tea and they had to run out of the building. This due to the Meckering earthquake in October 1968.&#13;
01:30	Joyce was teaching applied mathematics in the Geology Department during the moon landing in 1969 – she decided to stop the lecturer to watch it with the students on the television.&#13;
02:38	The Vietnam War caused some concern on campus. Generally political events did not have any impact on UWA although people would talk about what was going on.&#13;
03:41	Joyce and Alan had a marvellous social life with the new arrivals. In the evenings they ate together or had parties. They kept up these friendships.&#13;
05:34	They thought that they would only stay for 2 years but they enjoyed it so much that they stayed as they were so happy with the climate and the opportunity.&#13;
06:11	Visiting academics would often be home stayed and entertained by staff. Fred Hoyle was treated to a picnic by the river and a party at Joyce’s house. Everyone met him – including the students. Students were invited to parties with the staff. The classes were smaller and the tutorial group was normally no more than 10 students.&#13;
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00:00	Being a woman in the university – married women not considered eligible to teach apart from tutorial teaching. Head of Department encouraged Joyce to apply for a permanent position.&#13;
01:16	Becoming a senior lecturer required that you had done some research. The Head of Department pushed this through for Joyce.&#13;
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00:00	Reflections on coming to Australia and working and living around UWA.&#13;
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00:00:00 Early schooling Perth Modern School and initial impressions of UWA. 1960 and the Arts degree. Studying languages. Introduction to UWA from cricket involvement and success. University Cricket Club team of the century. &#13;
00:08:30 Initial impressions of the University in the late 1950s. No induction. Bewildering experiences. Memories of early university days. &#13;
00:11:40 Community of learning. Cricket. Memories of the removal of cricket from the university on James Oval. Memories of the social life, cross-fertilisation and socialisation. Direction for career. Bonded to the Education Department. Memories of the WACA and the French Club. Terminating honours in French. Memories of a salutary experience.&#13;
00:17:50 Learning lessons from Bert Priest. Becoming a teacher in local schools. Reporting to Northam Senior High School and studying as an external student. Winning the prize for best student in Economics 100. Winning a prize without doing lectures. &#13;
00:22:16 Wanting to hang around universities. Wanting to do a PhD and applying for a scholarship. Winning scholarships to Harvard, England and Canada. Bert Priest is influential and gives advice. The old world and the new world. Going to Toronto.&#13;
00:24:30 Experiences of heading overseas. Brilliantly prepared by UWA to work in North America. Very good foundations from UWA. Discussions with Robertson head of education about future career. Working as a school teacher at Hollywood High School and working in Toronto. Coming back to UWA in 1970. &#13;
00:28:58 Funny story of coming back to Perth. Applying for Bert Anderson’s job. Two years becomes forty one years. Impressions of coming back to work in 1970. Changes in the 1970s. Bert Priest and changes to the faculty. Social science research. Memories of the university house and the mix of the community and academic at UWA. Corporatisation of the university. &#13;
00:37:20 Moving the Faculty of Education off campus. Memories of Shenton House and the faculty and the annex. The Reid Library building. The Nedlands campus. Psychological distance. The pressure of work and the Department of Classics put on lunches. &#13;
00:39:50 Non-existent international reputation of the university. Experiences of acceptance in other universities. UWA arts degree compared to other world universities. Current reputation. Memories of senior lecturer. The quality of student at UWA. Research training. Carrying a huge work and supervision load. CUHK. Research and a research university. Doctoral study. Students supervised go on to successful academic careers. Changes. &#13;
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00:00:00 Research methods training. Sociology of education. The demand for training grows and student numbers swell. Demand for research training workshops in Indonesia. Qualitative, quantitative and mixed methods. Research world divided down the middle. Quantitative and qualitative researchers. Paradigm wars. Lack of text books for the course work. Writing a book for courses on research. Sage Publications. Encouragement by Sage Books. Starting a writing program. &#13;
00:04:30 Concentrating on research methods. The growth and reputation of UWA. UWA was a professional training school. Numbers and quality of the students. Things that universities are concerned about today. Internationalisation of the University today. Review done in 1994 in the Graduate School of Education. The School was not in great shape. Recommendations of the review. Budget was a mess. Looking offshore for transnational programs. Interesting opportunities in Hong Kong and Singapore. Working in Hong Kong in Master’s education program in 1995. Course work Masters program taught overseas. &#13;
00:08:50 Programmes grow to be big and profitable. Singapore and degrees offshore. D.E.D. Doctoral Education Degree. Programs going strong overseas. Director of international programs from 1995 to 2010. Financial life-blood for UWA. &#13;
00:11:16 Interfaculty relations. Educational Management school. Sports science. David Andrich and others associated with other schools. Stand-alone faculty. Alan Robson and interfaculty absorption. Staying as a one school faculty. Merging with the Graduate School of Management. School of Professional Studies. &#13;
00:16:04 The university and its contribution to learning and community. Reaching out into the community with the Festival of Perth and a public university. An arrogant institution. The university as a large and complex organisation. A wonderful location. Alan Robson and good relations with government. Publicising the university.&#13;
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00:00:00 Training teachers and researchers. Higher degree students. Major changes for graduates. Research methods studies. World-wide debate success and academics prejudices. Forums and open debates. Methodological questions. More concerned with research training from the 1980s. Getting into strife with the university. &#13;
00:06:00 Supervision of students. PhD students. Complementary methodological partnership approach. Mature age students doing master or doctoral degrees. Designing studies and researching studies. Supervision of research students. Being led into writing from research. &#13;
00:09:40 Chinese University of Hong Kong C.U.H.K transnational interactions of the university. Singapore’s Wah Chong Institution and the Master’s programme. Lesley Lisovich. Graduates on the staff and teachers with doctoral degrees in Singapore. Popularity of UWA for international students. Advantages and rankings. One-on-one institutional interactions. &#13;
00:17:15 Staff training as a spin off for writing. Allan Walker and the Chinese University of Hong Kong. Working on supervision and career planning and the success of the work at C.U.H.K. Learning about benefits for UWA and the international student. Supporting students whose first language is a foreign language. &#13;
00:24:00 Important people associated with the development of UWA. Bert Priest. Memories of Peter Tannock, John Hattie, Michael Scriven, Col Sanders and David Andrich. UWA and the competition of academic field. Graduate school. Graduates from school and the training of teachers. Higher degree programs. UWA leading the way. UWA has largest doctoral student numbers in WA. &#13;
00:32:00 Advantages of UWA and teachers in the industry. Present-day business of publishing. Personal involvements at Notre Dame University. Notre Dame and its location within the city of Fremantle. Older European universities. Peter Tannock. Comparisons to UWA campus. Taking pride in the building of a university. &#13;
00:37:00 Discussions and process of writing – Introductions to social research and research methods. Writing series. Introduction for research methods for education. Advice for the teacher. Writing and teaching and the growth of the university. Strategic decisions for the university. Corporatized university. Intellectual environment and the administration. &#13;
00:49:30 Business administration at the university over the past 40 years. Not involved with the higher councils of the university. Views and memories of Alan Robson. Looking back at an extremely lucky career. &#13;
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              <text>Interview 1: Thursday 23 April 2015&#13;
Track 1	&#13;
00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
00:39	Educated at Highgate Primary School, Perth Boys’ School (1951-1953) and Perth Modern School (1954-1955). Went to UWA in 1956. Debating and sporting opportunities at Perth Boys’ School. Had caring teachers at all of his schools. Mathematics was his favourite subject. &#13;
06:02	Engineering was a 5 year course. Student numbers had reduced considerably by 5th Year. Dr Michael had to do a supplementary examination in English which provoked letters to the West Australian debating how much English an engineer needed and eventually an editorial “The Un-poetical Engineer”. He is now very interested in English and History. He did not engage in sporting activities at university. At Perth Boys’ School, he chose “Roads” as the subject for a talk.&#13;
10:13	To go from high school to university was quite a bit jump. He is supportive of the new 5 year course structure being introduced at UWA. First year students were initiated by the other students in the Engineering hall. It was just good fun and nothing dangerous. The School of Engineering was off the main campus and situated near Matilda Bay. Lectures were in Shenton House. Engineering students also took lectures with the science students. The first three years was a general education. Students were encouraged to join the Engineer’s Club. The student experience through the Guild was very good. Dr Michael chose Civil Engineering over Mechanical and Electrical Engineering for his last two years of study. Civil Engineering students did survey work in the university grounds and studied astronomy. They had to create their own design project and drawings.&#13;
16:17	Dr Michael enjoyed the theoretical component of the course. Fundamentals were stressed. The lessons he learnt at UWA are still applicable today. You need to identify the problem, enunciate the assumptions and establish the boundaries. It is a very methodical way of working. He finds reflection an important element in undertaking any task. George Hondros was a key lecturer who taught structures. Graham Glick taught structures and design elements. Campbell Massey taught the theoretical elasticity approach to science in general. &#13;
19:30	There were outside lecturers as well. The hydraulics lecturer was a practising engineer. His practical knowledge was very helpful. The exams in this subject meant that you had to apply the principles. Gilbert Marsh, a Bridge Engineer at Main Roads, lectured to the 5th year students. Gilbert Marsh was a close colleague of George Hondros. George Hondros told Dr Michael that he should contact Gilbert Marsh to get a job at Main Roads. Gilbert Marsh agreed to this and offered him a job over the telephone. Gilbert was a great mentor during Dr Michael’s time at Main Roads.&#13;
23:00	Civil Engineering graduates could work on public buildings, consulting or construction. Dr Michael wanted to understand structure and design and to gain an overall picture. He also wanted to be able to apply the skills he had developed at university. He only intended to work at Main Roads for 3 years but Gilbert Marsh encouraged Dr Michael to remain at Main Roads. He also encouraged him to apply to Imperial College in London. Dr Michael got a scholarship to attend Imperial College and went to London with his new wife Julie in 1964. It was a good decision. The lecturers at Imperial College were very close in teaching methods to those at UWA.&#13;
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00:00	In the first three years at UWA, the engineering students took laboratory classes with the science students. The new buildings in Fairway were finished in about 1959. Dr Michael used the new building to test concrete models for folded plates for his Honours thesis. The students also tested soils and used theodolites to survey the empty grounds more or less where the University Club is now situated. He remembers the agricultural area around Shenton House where sheep nibbled the lawns. Hymie Spiegel, the Government astronomer taught the students. One of the projects he set them was to view a star by day using mathematical calculations.&#13;
05:58	It was a broad education. It was too early for the resources boom but opening up the State and infrastructure was very big in the mid-1950s and 1960s. In 1955, Professor Gordon Stephenson and the Town Planning Commissioner Alistair Hepburn published the Plan for the Metropolitan Region (the 'Stephenson-Hepburn Report'). The decision was made to build the Narrows Bridge and Michael visited the site when he was in Fourth Year Engineering. The bridge was built by the Danish firm Christiani and Nielsen in conjunction with Clough Engineering. The bridge used a new construction method – pre-stressed concrete.&#13;
11:57	The new Narrows Bridge used different innovations in construction. Things had changed over the fifty years between the building of the first bridge and the second bridge. University training and research programmes are instrumental in developing new technologies.&#13;
15:10	It was an exciting time to join Main Roads. In-fill material for the Narrows Interchange was being developed. The materials were tested in the labs at Main Roads and at UWA. Gilbert Marsh was very skilled in this area. Main Roads had a good relationship with the university. Main Roads people gave talks at UWA and mentored the students. The piers on Mount Henry Bridge were tested at UWA using micro concrete models. UWA also did specific testing for Main Roads from time to time and Main Roads sponsored short research programs at UWA. Dr Michael believes it is essential for academia and the profession to maintain strong links. &#13;
20:25	Dr Michael wanted to do postgraduate study. He could have gone to New South Wales but was advised to go to London. Dr Michael did a computing course in 1962 and used the new Main Roads computer, the Bendix G-15D, to do the calculation and analysis for a joint paper published in 1964. He enjoyed the analytical aspect. Dr Michael was supported by Main Roads and got a British Council Scholarship that enabled him to study at Imperial College, London. He married Julie in July 1964 and they set off for London in August 1964.&#13;
25:51	The couple returned to Perth in February 1968. They took advantage of living in London to see the UK and to travel in Europe. Dr Michael was awarded a PhD in 1968 for his analysis on shallow shells. He was inspired by the many bridges he saw in Europe including those in London.&#13;
33:05	At Imperial College he was exposed to other international students. Some of the inspiring people who delivered general lunchtime lectures included the Archbishop of Canterbury and Sir Barnes Neville Wallis of Dam Busters fame. Imperial College also taught him to stick to the fundamentals.&#13;
38:12	Returning to Perth, Dr Michael worked on the Mount Henry Bridge before he moved to Geraldton with Main Roads. He returned to Perth in 1976 and was able to finalise some of the details for the Mount Henry Bridge as the contract had been let. He worked on the extension to the freeway and country bridges and became more involved with construction. In the three years that Dr Michael was away, Perth had begun to change towards being the modern city it is today. Malcolm Street Bridge was in place and the freeway section was built but the Narrows interchange was being planned. Dr Michael used modelling to help understand some of the features for this. Even in the last 10 years he notes that there has been a dramatic change in the Perth skyline.&#13;
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Interview 2: Wednesday 6 May 2015&#13;
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00:50	Students worked for Main Roads during vacations and Dr Michael supervised them. He also taught a Masters’ class on Foundations. He remained involved with members of the Faculty both through his connections with Engineering Australia and with joint research programmes.&#13;
02:52	Dr Michael finds UWA campus a delightful place – then and now. Engineering students spend most of their time around the Matilda Bay area although they did visit the refectory and take part in the tug of war with the lawyers across the reflection pond.&#13;
05:30	He considers Winthrop Hall a magnificent building and enjoyed the Graduation ceremonies at which he officiated. There were only about 15 Civil; 8 Electrical and 4 Mechanical engineers who graduated in 1961. He considers the graduation ceremony to be a special 10 seconds and a moment when a student’s life can take many different directions. Contribution to your profession is important but so is contribution to the wider community. Now there would be approximately 150 plus engineering graduates each year. &#13;
12:10	Some Engineering graduates became consultants. A government job is no longer secure as it was then. Main Roads had a cadetship system but was forced to reduce the number of cadets that they took over time. Engineering students used to have to spend 12 weeks in industry to do practical work as part of their degree. UWA and Curtin were the main source of the engineering students who came to Main Roads. Dr Michael also encouraged draughtsman in Main Roads to study and become engineers. Some of the students challenged the way things were done and stimulated discussion at Main Roads through their questioning. They were encouraged to bring forward ideas. Dr Michael is of the opinion that listening is key and that there is always more than one way to solve a problem. Sometimes you have to go back to basics and rethink something.&#13;
20:03	Dr Michael was Commissioner of Main Road from 1991-1997. An essential part of his role was to consult the staff in the various offices and to take part in community consultation – over the Graham Farmer Freeway , for example. Dr Michael started Team Brief information sessions in Main Roads on a Friday morning to keep everyone in the organisation engaged and informed. He attempted to lead through engagement. &#13;
24:57	Dr Michael was elected to the UWA in 1998. He was approached by friends in Convocation and asked to join. He had attempted to join the Senate some years before but was unsuccessful. The Senate seeks people with a broad perspective who can relate with the wide range of activities that take place at UWA. They are also looking for professional expertise that people can bring to the table. Some positions are ex-officio and include students. The Senate comprises a very broad cross section of people. The university not only offers services to graduates but to the school community and to the broader community. An example of the latter is the Festival of Perth which has been operating since 1953. The university campus is also used for public forums. The university is there to offer opportunity for debate.&#13;
29:12	Originally there were 24 people on the Senate. This was reduced to about 18 people. At first they met monthly and then bi-monthly. The Senate has a committee structure in place that can allow for bi-monthly meetings and which leaves the Senate free to concentrate on the strategic direction of the university. The committee structure also allows people from the business community and other areas to contribute their expertise. &#13;
31:27 	Dr Michael was elected as Pro Chancellor from 1998-2000. The Chancellor’s term used to be for one year and the Chancellor was elected annually from within the Senate. This changed to a four year term and the Chancellor could be elected from within the wider community. Dr Michael was very pleasantly surprised to be elected as Chancellor and his wife, Julie, considered this to be a special highlight. He had retired from Main Roads in 1997 to work as a consultant. Even though this change did not make his workload any lighter, he kept time for university business and would meet with the Vice Chancellor (Derek Schreuder and then Alan Robson) on a weekly basis.&#13;
35:50	Dr Michael regards the role of the Chancellor as being like the Chairman of the Board; the Vice-Chancellor is the CEO and the Pro-Chancellor is the Deputy Chancellor. If the Chancellor was away, the Pro Chancellor has to stand in for him such as at graduation ceremonies. Dr Michael believed the relationship between the executive team and the academic staff to be good at that time. He met with the academics and with the students.&#13;
39:39	There was an instance where the students were concerned about changes being made by the Federal Government to Guild funding. The student experience at UWA is very important and one that is highly valued by the student body. He called a student protest that took place during one of the Senate meetings.&#13;
42:58	In 2000, the Senate had to address the fact that the Festival of Perth had spent too much money under the then Director, Séan Doran. There was talk of handing the festival over to the State Government but it was agreed that it had always been a means for the university to give back to the community and that it should be sorted out by the university. The situation was managed and from then on. the role of the artistic director was made separate from that of the general manager who managed the finances. When Dr Michael was a student the Festival was part of the summer school but it was fairly low key compared to today. Séan Doran took the festival out to the regions. Jonathan Holloway brought out the French marionette show The Giants in February 2015 which was a huge success not least because it provided free entertainment to the wider community.&#13;
49:00	Convocation, the graduates association for UWA, has been a very significant part of the university and they have representatives on the Senate. The warden when Dr Michael was elected to the UWA Senate was Sue Baker. The students are encouraged to remain active and engaged with the university after graduation. The alumni are given the opportunity to get together from time to time. UWA alumni are spread all over the globe. Dr Michael is proud to be part of Convocation and to contribute to it.&#13;
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00:05:22&#13;
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00:17:24&#13;
Gallery opening and UWA exhibit for the Biennale*. Janet Holmes a court. Hall green. A community associated with the faculty. A big family. Gordon Stephenson and roger Johnstone. The space of the university inspires. Returning to university. &#13;
Gordon Stephenson, Janet Holmes a Court, Roger Johnstone,&#13;
00:20:30 &#13;
Descriptions of The Museum of aboriginal cultures. Housing the Berndt Collection. Memories of John White. The running of the course. Core unit design and studio. People sleep under the desk. Learning how to draw. Comparisons of computer. The best designer. Art classes and live nude models. Introduced to the computer. &#13;
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00:25:00&#13;
Learning to build in miniature. Design and model making. Learning in a community of peers. Discussions more than lecture. A closed shop on the campus. Sticking together as a group. No time to do anything else other than architecture.&#13;
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00:29:22&#13;
Leaving university and taking the university into career. Technology and architecture. The Concert Hall and capitol theatre. Buildings associated with. Memories of working on The Perth Concert Hall. &#13;
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00:32:22&#13;
Continual learning on the job. Wanting work in the united states. Working as an architect in Hong Kong and Bali. Field work and Bali. Working in Asia different from experiences in Perth. Aspiring to good architecture. Comparing India and Asian processes of building. &#13;
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00:37:45&#13;
Problems with working in Bali. Working 18 hrs a day. Working in designing hotels. Deciding to stop working on hotels. Doing competitions since 2005. State theatre comp and diversification. &#13;
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00:42:11&#13;
Building in place and problem solving and building form and type. Art Gallery of NSW complicated sites. Tough competition. Reciprocal influence between modern principles and traditions of the east. Examples of working Bhutan. Discussion with the Prime Minister of Bhutan. Traditional building in Bhutan. Earthquake resistant buildings. &#13;
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00:48:17&#13;
Direct influence and technology transfer. Tradition and building. Influences taken on board. Spirit of buildings. Building light weight in Kyoto. &#13;
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Women in the course. Jean Brodie-Hall and the lay out of the gardens. Looking at the campus. Seeing the trees and the building. The loss of vision of the university. Gus Ferguson departure. The Reid library a bit of a departure. The business school. The sense of place found in the old buildings and the gardens. Ted Snell – 100 favourite things about the university. &#13;
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00:04:54&#13;
Place and space and the growth of the university. Planning and special. The open spaces between the buildings. Gus Ferguson and the growth of the university and plans. Stretching down fairway. Expanding beyond the ground. Gus Ferguson. Off campus buildings. Boundaries.&#13;
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00:07:50&#13;
Awarded for work. Aga Kahn Award for Architecture 2001* and Order of Australia Medal. Importance of being awarded an Honorary Doctorate of UWA. 2006 the Royal Australian Institute of Architects Gold Medal. Surprise of awards. Trying to do work better. Involvements of building in Perth. Home coming. State Theatre and Perth City library. Sitting in a building. Winning competitions. Museum close to Kerry Hill. &#13;
Awards, Home coming, State Theatre, Awards&#13;
00:13:40&#13;
Completing the circle. Great feelings associated with working across the road from where he studied. Employing UWA graduates. Becoming serious competitors. Graduates of UWA comparing to the best Graduates of the best universities of the world. Mentorship programmes set up with UWA graduates. &#13;
University graduates, mentorship &#13;
00:16:54&#13;
Looking from the past to the future. Helping graduates. Remaining close to graduates. Jack London. University placed in the academic community of Perth. Looking at the UWA architectural course.&#13;
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00:06:50 Interest in science. Coming to the University since the age of 8. Early University Open Days. Sid Arnold and his glass blowing demonstration. The Tesla coil. Antagonist to Edison. Science experimentation. Believe in stimulating the youth of Australia. Memories of the Chancellor Award. Honorary fellow. &#13;
00:14:15 Aspirations for academia. Relying on own ability. Furthering education. Career interests and personal decisions. Interest in science and getting a job at UWA in the Physics Department. Tony Platt rejects application. Convincing Tony Platt to reconsider. Memories of Tony Platt. Wray Wright.&#13;
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00:28:10 Defining a university. Mentioning negatives at the university. Levels of education and staff cuts. Quality of education and fees. Contracts and the loyalties to the job. Impressions of the school and the department. The quality and standard of excellence. Interesting part of the job. &#13;
00:34:15 The pleasing aspect of scientific demonstrations. The importance of making impressions. The wealth in scientific toys. Lecturers of quality. Recollections of the atmosphere of the department when the students were in attendance. Funding. &#13;
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00:11:54 Performance of lectures lost. Rapport with staff and students. Spot surveys. Dave Greenhalgh. Discipline of physics and the lecture technology and performance. &#13;
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00:24:55 Closed circuit colour TV. Value of the demonstration. The Black and White minstrel show.&#13;
00:29:02 Physics Department’s standing throughout Australia and around the world. Memories of John Robbins. Writing of the history of the department. Memories of John Swan.&#13;
00:37:34 Personal thoughts and keenness to learn. Stories of personal learning at UWA. Anatomy lecture and memories of an aggressive snake. &#13;
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00:08:30 Alan Robson. The destruction of Winthrop Hall. Graduations affected by the storm. The community spirit of University. Memories of the destruction. &#13;
00:12:59 The power of nature. Ian McArthur. Good and bad heads of department. Reporting on the school. Memories of Julius Sumner Miller. 1982 visit to the building. Memories of Dick Beilby.&#13;
00:23:20 Television and Dick Beilby. Memories of John Budge (‘Budgie’), a technical officer. Personal philosophy. Workshops and the core points of the outreach programs. Stimulating children to think laterally about the wonder of the world around them. &#13;
00:32:00 Speaking to all people at the public facility of UWA. Thoughts and memories of the University open day. Alan Robson and his hopes for the university. Current place of the university on a world Academic standing. &#13;
00:37:00 Memories of Alan Gorham. The peacocks and the New Fortune Theatre. &#13;
00:42:25 Benefits of working at the University. Negatives focus on career direction. Human Resources and staff recognition. Support of staff like Ian McArthur, Bob Stanford and others for his work. &#13;
00:49:22 Memories of the Gough Whitlam era. Talking about the workshop and the research facility at the Physics Department at UWA. The precision mechanical workshop. Research projects.&#13;
00:52:58 Jim Williams and the Atom Lab. Biophysics and Tim St Pierre and non-invasive diagnosis of Iron in the liver. Bill Macklin and the hail stone lab and the wind tunnel lab. Collecting and dissecting hailstones. Researching develops. &#13;
00:58:00 Retirement and awards for work and teaching learning excellence. Carrick Institute Award and Chancellors’ Award. Honorary Fellow. Personal commitment to work for free. Overall experience of pride working at UWA. &#13;
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00:21:20 Writing clearly. Richard Doll epidemiologist, links with lung cancer. Richard Pito and Chris Redmond – work on preeclampsia. Career structure in England. Job in cardiology at Canada. Memories of Oxford. Bringing up children. Dennis Wade and coming to Perth. Bruce Armstrong. Jim Patterson.&#13;
00:26:55 Reputation of UWA in the 1970s. Austin Doyle on Perth and development potential. Opportunity to set up a new department. Charles Gairdner Dick Joske. Chairs and academic staff. Leaving Oxford. Jewish community in Perth. &#13;
00:32:15 Community. Raine study and research funding. Cardiovascular Centre and funding NHMRC grants. Bob Vandongen and laboratory research.&#13;
00:36:00 Directions. Setting up good research, population research. Advancing medical practice. Understanding high blood pressure. Understanding and treating cardiovascular disease. &#13;
00:38:15 UWA research community. Bruce Armstrong, vegetarians, high blood pressure. John Mathews, stroke and drinking. Seventh Day Adventists and health. Grants and data studies. PhD Student Peter Arkwright. Alcohol and blood pressure. Ian Puddey and low alcohol consumption. &#13;
00:43:20 Collaborating with John Mazeri. The high level of clinical facilities at RPH vs Radcliffe infirmary. Comparison of RPH Laboratory, clinical services, Post graduate training standard to Britain. Modest research conditions. Getting good clinical research going with Armstrong. &#13;
00:45:35 Student numbers and mentorship. Staff had more time to teach. Administration and other pressures. Major issues and other changes. IT and personal secretaries. Nurturing of students at UWA. Neuromuscular, Lions, WAMA and Children Institute. Growth and academic appointments. Fremantle, Sir Charles Gairdner Royal Perth. Democratised personal Chairs. &#13;
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00:06:50 NHMRC, research funding, CSIRO, WAIMR. Encouragement of collaboration, reduction of research. International universities and financial incentives. Reputation of agriculture, medicine and chemistry. &#13;
00:09:00 Major changes and research growth. International standing and travel. Sharing knowledge, networking. Encouraging students’ work. Mutually supportive, collaboration in Hypertension. WA physically isolated. &#13;
00:13:20 Increase and acceleration of UWA’s position in 1990s and 2000s. Bruce Robinson and mesothelioma. Ian Constable and the Lions Institute. The Children’s Institute and Fiona Stanley. Immunological research has high reputation. Dawkins, Bren Christianson, Martin French. Murdoch University. Parochial issues. Institute growth. Lions Eye and Children’s Institute and Neuromuscular Research Institute. Nigel Laing. &#13;
00:16:44 Personal research and visits. Hypertension and vegetarianism. Salt, obesity, alcohol. Vegetarian and blood pressure. Bruce Armstrong. Population study and Seventh Day Adventists. Ian Rouse and Mormons. Randomised controlled diets. Dash diets. &#13;
00:21:56 Vegetarianism and blood pressure. Argon and amino acid. Research, publication and recognition. Barry Burke. Consensus meetings. WHO. Involved in guideline publications. National guidelines. &#13;
00:27:15 Growth of personal research. The culture of research has declined. Barry Marshall. Fellowships. Good students and good backgrounds in the 1980s. Gradual development.&#13;
00:32:20 Academic appointments. People working together vs. isolation. Postdoctoral involvement and voluntary work. Kevin Croft. Collaboration and biochemistry and John Le Mesurier. Increasing reputation and interest in UWA through the 1980 - 90s. Teaching hospitals Royal Perth Hospital and Charles Gairdner. Promotion and chairs. &#13;
00:38:20 Memories of Bruce Armstrong. Michael Hobbs and the public health. Ian Conrad. Max Kamien a controversial figure. University and the rural community. Notre Dame University into the rural community. &#13;
00:42:26 Memories of Fiona Stanley and the children’s institute. Aboriginal child health. Pat Hobbs. Acceptance of indigenous people. Impact on undergraduates. Academic research on aboriginal communities. Geriatric medicine. International reputation. Ian Puddey. Peter Dobson. Medical research foundation and possible opportunities. &#13;
00:47:00 Translating knowledge - example of the eye institute. Con Michael and the Raine study. Landau, Newnham and Stanley. Raine foundation. Raine committee and broadened research. Research growth Craig Burnell and the Raine study. John Newnham. Hospitals. &#13;
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00:04:35 Louis Landau and Ian Puddey and the establishment of the medical education facility. Fiona Lake and the advancements of medical education in the state. The relationship of staff in hospital to staff of university. Charles Gairdner relationships strained. &#13;
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00:24:35 Order of Australia Medal. Fantastic collaboration. Kevin Croft, Trevor Mori, Dan Barden, Kay Cox, Jonathon Hobson. Ian Puddey Dean of the Faculty. Bruce Armstrong, John Mazeri. Other important people Alex Cohen and John Stokes. Collaboration of the teaching side. Valerie Burke, Dick Joske, Ian Rouse. Anyone who gets an AO is underpinned by others. &#13;
00:28:00 University’s prime focus on education going out into the world. Encouraging younger people. Working with the orderlies and staff. Career encompasses many things. Reflections.&#13;
00:34:30 Looking forward and prospects for the university. Thoughts about ranking. Being amazed at what is going on.</text>
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05:00	Born 1921 so went into the army aged 20.&#13;
05:26	Scarborough, Kent and then Egypt via SS Mexico for Port Said.&#13;
06:56	Cairo and the Western Desert. Rommel and General Montgomery. Celebrated his 21st in the Western Desert. &#13;
08:19	Took part in the 2nd battle of El Alamein in October 1942.&#13;
09:06	Leonard was in the Royal Artillery as a gunner signaller.&#13;
10:08	Rommel retreated and the army followed him up the coast of N Africa. Was in N Africa for a year and prepared for the invasion of Italy.&#13;
11:03	In September 1943 the army embarked for Sarlerno and occupied it. Then they began moving up towards the north of Italy.&#13;
12:05	Captured by the Germans and spent the rest of the war in a prison camp.&#13;
13:20	After the war, Leonard returned to England in May 1945 and given an early release into civilian life as an ex student who hadn’t completed his degree. Leonard finished his BA degree in 1947. He wrote his MA thesis on Charles Dickens. He finished this in 1948.&#13;
14:37	Married in August of 1948. Awarded the William Noble Fellowship at Liverpool University.&#13;
15:03	July 1949 - awarded position of Senior Lectureship at UWA which he accepted.&#13;
16:03	Professor Knights at Sheffield University was a Cambridge graduate and he met Professor Allan Edwards from UWA while at Cambridge. Harry Thompson had died and Prof Edwards wrote to various people including Professor Knights requesting applicants for the job.&#13;
17:34	Arrived in Fremantle on a wet, windy day in July 1949.&#13;
18:30	Put up at the Captain Stirling Hotel and then found somewhere to live in Subiaco. After a couple of months in Subiaco they moved to a concrete built University house in 1950. &#13;
20:11	The new house was in Parkway, Nedlands.&#13;
20:47	In around 1951, Leonard gave talks for schools broadcasts and on the Woman’s Hour. Woman’s Hour was run by Catherine King who was married to Leonard’s colleague, Alec King. She was also the daughter of Walter Murdoch, ex Professor and Vice Chancellor.&#13;
21:46	&#13;
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00:00	Mrs Burrows returned to England for a few months as she was home sick. &#13;
00:24	First son born in 1954. In 1956 they went to England on study leave where another son, Tim, was born. In October 1957, they moved to Claremont.&#13;
01:09	Study leave entitlement after 6 years work at UWA.&#13;
02:19	Their daughter was born in 1958.&#13;
02:27	Leonard did not want to stay in England. His wife settled in better as well and they both became used to being ‘Australian’.&#13;
03:19	Impressions of Perth.&#13;
05:39	Impressions of UWA sketchy – more involved in getting to work.&#13;
06:12	The English Department was beginning an enormous expansion due to the CRTS Scheme (Commonwealth Reconstruction Training Scheme). Ex services people given allowances and scholarships to come and study.&#13;
07:11	Expansion of numbers in the university and particularly in the English department. 200-250 people attended English 1 lectures. English considered a necessary subject.&#13;
08:11	There was money available for staffing. It was a small department when Leonard arrived – Professor Edwards, Alec King, senior lecturer/reader, David Bradley and Jeana Tweedie. Leonard took Harry Thompson’s place (who was the Old English teacher).&#13;
09:25	Leonard lectured on Browning but lectured on most things as time went on (except for Old English).&#13;
09:41	Composition and structure of the English course in 1950s. It wasn’t so much historical as much as how to study English. First years studied poetry, the novel and drama.&#13;
11:25	2nd years read more drama and 17th century poetry. It might be anything in the 3rd year such as a Victorian novel.&#13;
12:05	This idea was picked up by Allan Edwards in Cambridge. It was deliberately intended to be different. Leonard had to learn what they wanted.&#13;
13:17	Jeana Tweedie was a drama specialist as was David Bradley and keen on producing student plays. The teachers also read poetry and sang songs to the students.&#13;
14:41	The students particularly loved the poetry readings and folk songs.&#13;
15:09	There was no Dolphin Theatre but places were made into a theatre. A building that belonged to Chemistry was turned into a theatre. &#13;
16:11	English lectures were held in a newly built wooden lecture more or less located where the Sunken Garden and the Art Gallery are now. &#13;
16:52	Leonard’s office was in the main building upstairs. The French lecturer was next door to him.&#13;
17:37	More rooms were built near the lecture theatre when they needed more space. They all disappeared long ago. Some Education faculty people were here as well. Classes were held in the wooden building as well. These class rooms held about 20 students.&#13;
18:56	Tutorials were held in their rooms with up to 12 students. Novels or poetry would be discussed in a smaller group. It was an essential part of the Edwards theory.&#13;
21:46	Examinations were also held. These were more work for the lecturers.&#13;
22:48	Not everybody wanted to work in this way. Some other Arts faculty people such as the French lecturer found this too avant garde.&#13;
24:08	&#13;
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00:00	Conclusion by JKW&#13;
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Track 1	&#13;
00:00	Introduction by JKW&#13;
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00:00	Discussion of The Critic. First issue in 1961.&#13;
02:05	Discussion of lack of staff facilities for eating and drinking. Establishment of first staff house in a University house in Cooper Street, Nedlands in 1950s. A staff house was eventually built in the 1960s opposite Riley Oval. Added to social life.&#13;
06:43	Discussion of new staff house – the UWA Club. Leonard still invited mostly for his birthday party on 18 August.&#13;
08:33	Common rooms in Arts Building.&#13;
10:09	The new Arts building. Other language departments. Leonard’s room faced Riley Oval and the new staff house.&#13;
12:12	English department office and secretaries. Gloria Greer. Louise Visvikis.&#13;
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00:00	Writers in residence as staff. Dorothy Hewitt. Peter Cowan. Randolph Stow&#13;
01:25	Change from terms to semesters.&#13;
02:28	English courses. English 1. Short stories, novels, poetry and drama. &#13;
04:00	Special English 1 course established to accommodate requests from Education Department, Medical Faculty and Law Faculty.&#13;
08:10	The old library. Miss Wood the librarian. Furniture donated by estate of Joseph Furphy.&#13;
10:25	Leonard Jolley and the new Reid Library.&#13;
11:30	Toby Burrows, medieval historian gets job in Reid Library.&#13;
13:40	Lunch at the staff house with Leonard Jolley and others.&#13;
13:55	How has the university changed? Bigger, harder, more concerned with money, prestige. How can we be the best? D H Lawrence, The Rocking Horse Winner.&#13;
15:36	Leonard retired in 1986. University now very commercial. Comments on Chancellor, Michael Chaney.&#13;
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00:00	Overseas students not so prevalent in the English department.&#13;
00:53	Research – problems of trying to teach and do research. Promotion and research money.&#13;
02:30	Discussion of role of Vice Chancellor in touting for business. Discussion of former Vice Chancellor Robson. Working for local council amalgamation. Discussion of Bigger and Better. Throwing money at problems.&#13;
06:04	Discussion of setting up of Murdoch University in 1974. UWA still the main university in Perth that everyone wants to go to.&#13;
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00:00:00	Background information: born in Cape Town South Africa. Samuel Freedman and Diamond. Becoming involved in an academic career. Schooling and Medical DSE. Majoring in Zoology and Microbiology. Joining the army. Coming back to start a career in academic field. John Robinson and higher degree. PhD on Baboons and work in microbiology. Raymond Dot and work in anatomy.&#13;
00:07:40 Leaving South Africa. Coming to Australia and work at Sydney University. John Robinson and the University of Wisconsin. Path of coming to UWA in 1970. David Allbrook and Human Biology and University of Western Australia. Perth as an isolated part of the world. Being allowed to design a course in Human Biology.&#13;
00:15:47 Outlining the course at UWA. The biology of man outlines everything that he does. Anatomy, genetics and the world in general. Teaching Human Biology course for 90 students and others from other departments 1000 students.&#13;
00:19:37 Impressions of the University and personal concerns and interests. Departmental responsibilities and designing the course. Facilities available. The support of David Allbrook. Tom Olivier the first Geneticist. Designing the Human Biology course and memories of experiences in America. Problems in the physical world and the environment. The impressions of the department Allbrook, Bill Bloomer and specialists from outside the department. Harold Baggett. Win Upperten, Nick Batalin and Serge Alexiov.&#13;
00:27:16 Small department and work done by specialists from the town. No ambition. Wanting to do research. The increase in knowledge in the world. Physical Anthropology and Human Biology. Explaining evolution. Race and biology. Broaden the course. &#13;
00:34:16 The process of changing the name of the course. Department of Anatomy and Human Biology. Management and changes in department. The God Professor system. Students and faculties in isolation. Connection with other departments in the 1970s. Technologies and ideas. Interactions with department the wider community. Failure of course ideas. &#13;
00:40:40 Individuals and interactions. Interdisciplinary and interactions outside the university. Working with the museum. Memories of the community of UWA. Dr David Ride and the importance of Human Biology within the school system. &#13;
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00:00:00 The dynamic course. General and academic and world events of importance. The importance of keeping the interaction of the human condition. Neville Bruce and interactive human studies. Open University of Australia and the internet. Memories of Martyn Webb head of geography the only professor without a PhD. Reg Appleyard and Mike Alpers &#13;
00:06:42 The god professor system. Each person has their own little empire. Academic community. Valuable inputs from outside the university. Charles Watson and Ken Colbung. Memories of Ken Colbung lecturing at the university. Ken contributes to the course with personal experiences. aboriginal concerns within the Australian culture. Reaction of the students and Ken’s teaching and contribution.&#13;
00:14:14 The students make the department popular. The popularity of the course to students outside the department. The growth of the course and confidence in the future. Drew Nesdale, Laksiri Jayasuriya, Sylvia Hallam, Mike Hobbs, Wolfe Segal, Neville Stanley are important to the department. Humankind Retrospect and Prospect – Leonard Freedman. Students must look laterally outside their narrow field.&#13;
00:18:10 Importance of Sabbatical leave. Recollections and Reflections - Three part biography. A spiritual aspect to the course. Personal thoughts toward spiritual aspects of human evolution. No trouble about religion. Discussion of the course outline and timetable. Interaction with the students. Tutors and mini lectures. Human beings and society. &#13;
00:26:30 Diverse range of topics outlined in the course. Personal belief of students. Introducing students to students and spoon feeding them. Changes in the course outlined. Technology and balance in the course. The department and course as a growing entity.&#13;
00:30:50 Support for the department and Alan Robson. Unable to say things to please people. Seeing the university change. Dean of the Science Faculty. Why changes took place and lack of money in the budget. Synergistic courses and teaching and research. Diverse subjects and people from different fields. Remembering research and teaching. Baboons and Bandicoots. Working in diverse areas of research. &#13;
00:38:31 Working on people of New Guinea. Interest in the movement of the shoulder joints. Enjoying research. Early aboriginal skull and migrations that populate Australia. UWA’s place in the word in relation to the department. The Naked Ape and Desmond Morris. Reaching people through popular writing. &#13;
00:46:10 Richard Dawkins and the Selfish Gene. Getting a message across to the public. Impressions of Dawkins. The accumulation of knowledge and man understanding of God. The use of God to order society. Faith, science, evidence. Faith doing more harm than good. A part of history. &#13;
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00:00:00	Research and honing the course of Human Biology. The importance of the study of Human Genetics. Head of school 1975-80 and interest in varied research. Evolution of the Hominid toolmaking hand and forearm. David Allbrook. Anthropometric study of WA School Children. Writing on the Thylacine – Odontometric study of the species Thylacoleo. Humankind Retrospect and Prospect. Morphology an Physiology of the Metatheria. Book about Australian marsupials. Ilene Finch. Being in the right place at the right time.&#13;
00:06:43 Women and Men... and the study of Homosexuality. Explaining the diversity of human sexuality. The Sex Determination of Aboriginal Cranium. Interactions and comparisons with worldwide human movement. Movements from South East - Asia and China. A new check list of fossil Cercopithacoidea – South Africa.&#13;
00:12:40 Writing for technical purposes. Describing the course in public journals. The importance of schools and university interacting. Human Biology in school. Localities in South Africa where fossil remains of Baboons have been recovered. Single incisor tooth from Devil’s Lair in Western Australia. Cranial and Mandibles from Broad Beach in South East Queensland. An early site of aboriginal population. &#13;
00:15:55 Relative growth rates of the muscle of the Diprotodont Marsupial. Lance Twomey and Curtin University. Working on projects. Marsupials and their unique movements. Urinating dogs and the study of the abductor muscles in the dog’s lower limbs. Suggesting projects for people as they need them. Studying the Middle Ear Ossicles of the Australian Aborigines. Not planning life.&#13;
00:19:50 Writings - Evolution and human behaviour – The Sexual Orientation... The Human Evolutionary Enigma. A workman in the biological field. Accepting students. Being awarded for work. The importance of technical people. Feelings toward being awarded. Honorary Fellow. Seeing the changes at the university. The evolving course of Human Biology. &#13;
00:24:59 Sad feelings toward the university of today. Dedication to work versus financial reward. The god professor system has changed. Bureaucratisation of the university. The current status of UWA. Isolated university and the current competition. Humankind Retrospect and Prospect. Optimism of humankind. Appreciating the achievements of man. &#13;
00:33:03 Rapid technological change and the growth of the human brain. Origins and the evolution of the human brain. Description of the painting in the department of Human Biology. Final words and summaries for the future. Optimism. Evolution moves slowly.</text>
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