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              <text>Interview 1&#13;
0:00	Introduction by Anne Yardley&#13;
00:15	Jan’s academic struggles in high school due to polio.  Went to St Hilda’s and repeated a year, sitting for matriculation 1962.  Exam results published in Daily News newspaper , Jan passed three subjects but needed five to matriculate. &#13;
05:00	Studied hard over summer holidays and with coaching, sat supplementary exams and matriculated: I could barely believe it! Who knows what I would have done had I not matriculated. I’m extremely grateful to Mum and Dad for their support getting me to uni because it’s made a huge difference to my life.&#13;
08:30	Jan discusses her mother, Dorothy Ransom [1917-2012]: won a scholarship to Perth Modern School, completed a science degree, majoring in zoology and geology, and Graduate Diploma of Education, had research positions and was very involved in voluntary work at UWA:  president of Federation of University Women [now Graduate Women], hard working and conscientious Senate member very interested in staff and students, regularly attended graduation ceremonies.&#13;
15:00	Jan’s interest was in zoology, she studied psychology, geology, biology and chemistry in first year.  Recalls students wearing black gowns to lectures.  Discusses university life in the 1960s:  she lived at home, spent full days at uni, neither she nor her friends had jobs except during summer holidays, parents paid fees and books: It was very exciting time but I was still totally dependent on my parents. Jan received a Commonwealth scholarship in her second year. &#13;
20:00	Jan recalls Freshers’ camp at Araluen and the Freshers’ Ball at Winthrop, an occasion for some students for illicit under age drinking, drinking age was 21.   Initiation rites common in most faculties with one student receiving facial burns as a result: &#13;
Last Friday, it was revealed that stern disciplinary action had been taken against several students following an initiation torture of a first year Science student. This student had to be treated for facial burns at Royal Perth Hospital as a result of his initiation .&#13;
25:00	Fresher activity Meet the Dean.  Science dean was foundation professor of micro-biology, Professor Neville Stanley who said to students: Look at the person next to you.  Next year, one of you will not be here. Jan was determined to succeed.  End of year exam results posted up outside the Ref, she was terrified but had passed.  A big achievement for her. &#13;
29:00	Describes campus: much more compact in 1963.  Reid Library and Arts building under construction, old library partly in Undercroft.  Psychology and the Law buildings were weatherboard shacks where Physics is now.  Zoology was next to St George’s College in a building purported to have a belfry . Students old enough to drink went to Steve’s Hotel. Describes the Ref, popular place between lectures for food.&#13;
34:00	Describes typical student day in Science:  three or four lectures in the morning, all notes taken in longhand, lectures non-interactive; lab classes in afternoons. All reference materials in library, more longhand note taking.  Lectures not recorded so attendance mandatory. Full days spent at uni with more library time on weekends.  University life very social. &#13;
40:00  Jan made friends, became part of university community.  Discusses geology camp, second year.  Boys and girls on separate camps.  Boys camping in the bush envied by girls at Araluen on day excursions to Cardup and Boya to investigate sedimentary rock.  &#13;
Geology Professor Rex Prider’s metamorphic rock outside the department whitewashed in student prank.&#13;
45:00	Discusses units:  Psych 10 was popular, regarded as easy, taught by Professor Ken Walker,  statistics taught by Dr Wally Tauss.  Professor Ron Berndt was foundation professor of Anthropology – establishment as a separate department supported by Ken Wallker. Professor Berndt studied under A.P Elkin at Sydney University. &#13;
49:30 	In 1938, Elkin wrote “The Australian Aborigines, How to Understand Them” , an eye opener to Jan about indigenous culture.  Jan’s uncle lived in the Pilbara and artifacts bought by him were donated to the Berndt Museum.  Jan’s anthropology tutor, Mary Hodgkin, also advised overseas Asian students.  Discusses Colombo Plan  for Asian students to study in Australia.&#13;
55:00 	Jan talks about learning to study successfully by note taking.  Discusses exams: It was like going to be executed.  It was terrifying.  End of year exams included full year’s work with no indication of topics likely to be covered.  Most held in Winthrop under strict invigilation.  Later studying for a Dip Ed, Jan found exam worth fifty percent with other components included. Much less stressful.&#13;
1:15:00	End first interview&#13;
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Interview 2&#13;
00:10 	Recognition given by UWA to Dorothy Ellen Ransom on her contribution:&#13;
…When I saw people around Mum at UWA, they treated her like a queen.  I found it very touching and I could see there was a genuine interest in Mum and Mum had a genuine interest in them and all that was happening at UWA…&#13;
Awarded the inaugural Chancellor’s Medal, 1996, at her last Senate meeting. Citation mentioned time on the Senate; with Convocation; with the Federation of University Women [now Graduate Women] also said that she’d been: one of the university’s most assiduous ambassadors in the community.  Medal was presented by acting Vice Chancellor, Michael Barber.  Family were overjoyed.&#13;
Also received Order of Australia, June 1998 with similar citation. &#13;
5:00	In 1976, Dorothy Ransom suggested that the university anthem be sung to the music of Gaudeamus Igitur   graduation ceremonies.  David Tunley arranged first piece of music played when Dorothy received Chancellor’s Medal.&#13;
In 1994 she suggested to Registrar Malcolm Orr a competition for an original composition for organ in the style of Gaudeamus Igitur as a graduation processional be awarded. From Dorothy Ransom’s estate, an annual prize in composition, valued at $500, since increased to $1000, is awarded to an undergraduate. Jan and her brother invited to present prize each year.&#13;
11:00  	Jan discusses debutantes’ ball: popular in 1950s and ‘60s, ‘coming out’ signified entry into society.  For Jan’s generation more an opportunity to have fun and meet people.  Balls very popular, each university faculty had balls as did other organisations such as Hunt Club, Cancer Crusade,  Royal Commonwealth Society.  &#13;
15:00	Jan ‘came out’ at Red Cross Ball. Process included being accepted by ball committee, choosing gowns, partners, attending rehearsals, pre and post ball parties and being presented to wife of the Governor, Lady Gairdner.  Girls wore white gowns, boys dinner suits.  &#13;
20:00 	To me it meant a lot of fun; an opportunity to meet people.  It was at the beginning of the university academic year so there was no pressure of exams or big assignments or anything like that.  It was what all my friends were doing and being a teenager of course, that’s what you want to do. &#13;
Jan met future husband, science student David Lord, at zoology camp at Rottnest research station in orientation week.  David invited Jan to St George’s College Ball where he was a resident. He changed study course and continued in medicine.   &#13;
25:00	Jan and David were engaged in 1967 and married 1968 .  &#13;
Students addressed academic staff formally: it was all reasonably respectful and a little bit distant.  As undergraduates we didn’t call the lecturers by their first names.  Zoology department separate from main campus, Professor Waring resisted moving citing lack of time as reason.  Zoology was like its own little world really with two lecture theatres, laboratories, library, lunch room.  Everyone enjoyed the atmosphere there. &#13;
30:00	Jan describes Professor Waring:  &#13;
	Prog, as we called him, could actually be pretty intimidating.  He was very tall;  he’d come from Liverpool so he had a very distinctive Liverpudlian accent and also a very loud voice. He was never one to mince his words and he had quite an air of authority about him.  There was no doubt whatsoever that he was head of the department.  &#13;
Professor Waring nurtured Zoology students and helped students, including Jan, get their first jobs.  Labs were very social environments: Honours students used labs to make snacks for evening suppers.&#13;
35:00	Mainly marsupials studied, particularly Rottnest quokkas .  Special research interest to Professor Waring, John Shield and Wayne Parker.  Projects included studying reproduction which involved students checking on births each night.  Jan recalls working with Adrienne Jones and discovering a new joey; describes techniques for checking mother’s pouch.  &#13;
40:00	Third year zoology camp also at Rottnest research station.  Jan understands university leased naval barracks and signal station from Department of Fisheries and Fauna.  Staff and PhD students could stay at station.  Describes weatherboard house and living arrangements: boys slept in tower, girls in the house with students helping cook and clean.  Research undertaken daily usually marine biology but with some terrestrial biology.  Lab work done at the station.  Jan describes unorthodox method of catching quokkas at night using a jeep and students sitting on the bonnet poised to net quokkas.&#13;
45:00	Jan thinks captured quokkas transferred to mainland university labs.  Jan reads article by Ernest Hodgkin: &#13;
Professor Waring came in 1948 but it was not until 1953 that the state Departments of Fisheries and Fauna secured the lease of the naval barracks and signal station near the main lighthouse, primarily to enable research to be carried out on the marine and terrestrial fauna and flora of Rottnest Island and for the training of undergraduate and post graduate students in essential field disciplines. &#13;
Fourth year and Honours students camp on Garden Island studying the tammar .  Distressingly, this involved students killing tammars for study purposes. Looking back on it, well, it’s very distressing and I cannot imagine, now, how that sort of study would get past any ethics committee.&#13;
Dr Mark Dixon Associate Director (Research Integrity) University of Western Australia provides this statement about ethical guidelines in 2015: &#13;
There have been large steps to reduce the suffering of animals, and these are regulated via both a code of ethics and legislation.  In particular, the Australian code for the care and use of animals for scientific purposes, which is now in its 8th edition, is quite prescriptive about minimising suffering in animals studied in research.&#13;
The animal code of ethics requires the University of Western Australia to convene an animal ethics committee to review every research project that involves animals. Teaching classes that involve animals are also required to be reviewed.  The committee must have a balance of members from each of: researchers, veterinarians, representatives from animal welfare groups, and members of the public unaffiliated with the University.  Our representatives from animal welfare are leading members of the RSPCA.  The committee does not work by majority vote: all members must come to consensus on each project before that project is allowed to begin.  The research projects must explain why animals are essential to perform the research, how the number of animals involved is reduced to a minimum, and how the animals will be cared for to minimise suffering.&#13;
51:00	Jan discusses Prosh .  Lectures were cancelled on Wednesday mornings especially for event; faculties would decorate truck with various themes, special edition of student newspaper with sales going to the charity, examples of title The Sundry Times, the Worst  Australian.	&#13;
54:00	Jan describes her pre Prosh stunt to publicise event to go into CBD and pretend to do a strip tease.  Police notified of stunt but Jan was arrested, taken to police station, searched and put in a cell.  Student Guild paid five pounds bail;  Jan to attend Magistrate’s Court next day to be charged with disorderly conduct.  Jan’s lawyer father not amused; actions.  Family advised by John Wickham QC, not to appear in Court.   Magistrate accepted that it was a stunt and the bail was estreated , no conviction recorded.  &#13;
1:01:00  Editorial in The West Australian said:&#13;
Bizarre though it may have been the strip stunt at a city intersection on Friday was nothing more than a stunt and the girl concerned certainly deserves to suffer no damage to her reputation for it.&#13;
Jan gained notoriety;  supported by Prosh including director Ralph Alexander who said police had overstepped the mark.  That year’s Prosh a success raising 2,450 pounds, a record then. &#13;
1:05:00 Jan concerned about parents’ response: They were not pleased.  I didn’t want to displease my parents who were of course enormously supportive of me being at university. I was a bit downcast about it but not for long particularly because of the support of fellow students.&#13;
1:06:00	 End second interview.&#13;
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Interview 3&#13;
00:20	Jan’s first job at Princess Margaret Hospital in cytogenetics   lab as medical technologist to replace Helen Trowell on long service leave.  Lab tested children for chromosomal abnormality, for example Down Syndrome .  Jan took blood, grew then harvested cells and checked under microscope.   &#13;
05:00	Admits UWA studies had not prepared her for this role.  Work interesting and rewarding, friendships made.  Jan and David married 1968, Jan moved to another job at Medical School with Dr Byron Kakulas working on muscular dystrophy .&#13;
09:50	Jan discusses wedding as very traditional; most planning done by parents, ceremony at St George’s College, reception at Palace Hotel with usual speeches. Honeymooned in Albany.  Returning to Perth, David to university, Jan to work as breadwinner: It didn’t seem difficult at the time.  It was a no frills existence.  Bought small house Redfern Street, Subiaco, helped financially by family.  &#13;
 Enjoyed work, mostly on progressive disease, Duchenne muscular dystrophy. Dr Kakulas’ project to find cause of disease, treatments, most importantly, prevention.   &#13;
15:00	Again worked on tissue culture from fetal tissue. Jan junior member of team: &#13;
I guess I was several steps back from the patients and the families which, because it was such a terrible thing, was a blessing.  That didn’t stop me thinking about it and how terrible it would be when you thought you had a perfectly normal child to watch them deteriorate over many years.  It would be terrible. &#13;
David called up for National Service for service in Vietnam . Jan describes feeling dreadful:&#13;
They had this ballot system with birth dates on marbles and his marble would have been pulled out at the end of 1965 just after he’d turned twenty.  For people whose birthdates were pulled out of the drum were expected to present  for National Service.&#13;
20:00 	David’s medical studies enabled him to defer until his course and one year residency completed.   Possibility of service in Vietnam made the couple delay  having children:  Yes, it made a huge difference to our lives.&#13;
Eight medical students called up, only one went in to army, the rest, including David, failed medical.&#13;
25:00 	Jan discusses children: Jenny born 1969, James 1970, Jonathan 1973.  David pursued psychiatry, family moved to Dunedin, New Zealand, 1974, during his post graduate studies.  Returned after three years, David now worked for UWA, couple found housing prices had jumped enormously  but managed to buy home in Dalkeith. Jan returned to studies at UWA for a Dip Ed [graduate diploma education]. Hoped to work in primary or special needs education: … It was then that I understood how stressful it could be juggling study and a family.  Jan describes routine during studies, friends and family helping with children, returning to university library after children in bed at night. &#13;
30:00	Took four years to complete diploma then unable to get a position in State system without taking a country position. Found work teaching an autistic child, job sharing with another newly qualified teacher: work both rewarding and fun.  Second experience studying very different from undergraduate years, less focus on socialising. &#13;
Jan valued her university education: loved zoology; mixed with diverse people; students had fun in 1960s;  opened up work opportunities.  &#13;
35:15	UWA as a campus in the community according to Jan, still makes use of UWA going to Somerville cinema, Writers’ Festival, extension courses; meets friends for lunch in gardens; visits campus with grandchildren. Has taken youngest grandchild to School of Music course, Junior Music run by Jenny Stephenson for pre-school children: …a wonderful offering of the School of Music for children to become familiar with music. Enjoyed exploring gardens en route to music school.&#13;
39.30	Jan volunteers interviewing prospective medical and dental students, a component of GAMSAT  assessment procedure.  Interviews tightly structured, volunteers undergo extensive training; a very responsible job:  &#13;
During the interview, when you ask a question, you are advised that you need to ask the question in exactly the same way for each student. Then we all write furiously because we try to write down everything that the student says.&#13;
Importance of UWA to Jan:  &#13;
I have an enormous fondness for it and part of that fondness stems from my familiarity with it.  I just feel it’s almost like my garden that I can just go down there—I’ve been going there for so long that it’s such a familiar place and that feels very nice, very nice indeed.&#13;
Experience of serious illness has influenced Jan’s life:  learning to accept limitations; learning greater tolerance of difference in people; understanding impact of serious illness on a family;  advocating strongly for childhood vaccination programs; learning to count blessings not disappointments.&#13;
46:30	END final interview.&#13;
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Jan’s mother, Dorothy Ransom was a committed UWA Senate member and recipient of the inaugural UWA Chancellor’s Medal in 1996.  She was awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia (OAM) for services to the community particularly through her work at UWA.  Jan talks about her mother and her great dedication to UWA.&#13;
The experience of suffering a serious illness had a profound effect on Jan and in recent years she became involved with the Post Polio Network and co-wrote a book Poliomyelitis in Western Australia: a History  .  She also provided research and inspiration for author Joan London’s fictional book The Golden Age  .  &#13;
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              <text>00:30	Jean Brodie-Hall, maiden name Slatyer, married Ivan Barnes Verschuer in the 1950s.  He passed away young and in 1980 she re-married Laurence Charles Brodie-Hall. Born in Rockhampton, 1925. Jean’s father [Thomas Henry Slatyer] was a banker from a Queensland farming family.  Jean is the middle child with two older brothers and two younger.  Eldest brother Ken studied dentistry, joined the air force during the war and was killed in action.  Brother Bob studied engineering at UWA and joined the navy. &#13;
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04:30 	Family moved to Western Australia and built a house at 1 Hillway Nedlands.  Jean recalls spending time in the UWA grounds, which were largely bush.  The memorial buildings were completed in 1932 and engineering was in the Shenton House building. Jean even then was interested in plants and disliked seeing people take away big bunches of leschenaultia from campus grounds.  As a young child in Rockhampton, Jean remembers following the Kanaka gardener around.  In the Nedlands home, Jean had her own garden plot. &#13;
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09:20	Jean recalls going to a very good kindergarten, Miss McQuie’s kindergarten, Nedlands before going to PLC at age seven.  In her last year of school, Jean as house captain for Stewart, won the prize for best school garden plot.  Jean loved school but had no ambitions for post-school.  At 18, she followed a friend  into nursing at the Children’s Hospital [now Princess Margaret Hospital]. She loved nursing children and continued nursing in Melbourne before leaving for London in 1949 and work at Great Ormond Street Hospital, the main children’s hospital.  &#13;
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16:30 	She loved the experience but felt her parents needed her in Perth.  She continued nursing at the Mount Hospital on her return and renewed a friendship with Barnes Verschuer.  They married in 1951 and moved to Gooseberry Hill nearer Barnes’ dental practice in Guildford and Jean’s parents who had re-located to the hills.  In Gooseberry Hill she pursued her interest in plants while her three children were young.  &#13;
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20:00	Landscape architecture was generally unrecognised in Australia: “I can’t believe I knew nothing about it, but I didn’t.”  There were “outstanding” women in the field in London.  She began reading widely and enrolled in a Melbourne based course with a friend; they frequented local nurseries together with their children.  Only specialist nurseries then stocked native plants. Later George Lulfitz set up the wildflower nursery [1975].  Jean enrolled in Perth Technical College horticulture course run by Lionel Steenbolm and jointly topped the course.  &#13;
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24:00	Jean was advised that landscape architecture would suit her and she took classes in architecture to give her a dual background in horticulture and architecture.  She found she was in demand, more so as there was only one woman active at that time, and she was retiring. Mervyn Davies, from a Federal department, was looking at the Perth Airport development and asked Jean for local help with selecting plants.  &#13;
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27:15:  Jean could have studied further overseas but with a young family that wasn’t possible.  It was the combination of design and horticulture that appealed. &#13;
She recalls coming home from a successful undertaking in Montreal to have Australia  accepted into the International Federation of Landscape Architects  through Japan.    She loved the broad view of landscape and the subtle, practical pruning of trees to withstand the local storms and snow. “There was very little understanding of fitting with the climate here, in Australia.  It was starting to be recognised, but really people just gardened and planned  their local maintenance pro adapt to the garden.” &#13;
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30:20  George Campbell was the first person employed by UWA to assist with garden planning.   He designed the layout of the Great Court when Hackett Memorial buildings were planned. He had toured with the Government  botanist and introduced 180 new species of indigenous plants to the Government Gardens of Perth. He was one of the leaders in establishing native vegetation.  When he died in 1930 his assistant, Oliver Dowell, took over and under the  direction of  the Vice-Chancellor, the university gardens were gradually developed.  Oliver Dowell and his assistant George Munns  hybridized species  and had Geraldton wax species named for them:  Chamelaucium Dowelli, and  C.Munnsi also there was one they propagated called University White. &#13;
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Second interview session recorded 24/10/14&#13;
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00:00	Jean defines a landscape architect, as described in the International Standard Classification of Occupations: Landscape Architects research, plan, design and advise on the stewardship, conservation and sustainability of development of the environment and spaces, both within and beyond the built environment. &#13;
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To become a recognised professional landscape architect in Australia, the first requirement is a degree in landscape architecture at a school accredited by the Australian Institute of Landscape Architects. (AILA)  After two years of recognised professional practice, graduates can apply for full professional recognition by the AILA.&#13;
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01:35	Jean’s early projects which were mainly through Forbes and Fitzhardinge, Geoff Summerhayes and Associates and as a consultant to Western Mining. Domestic projects didn’t appeal to Jean.  She describes the redesign of Mason Gardens, Nedlands: “The space had held two hockey grounds, a rubbish tip and jungle under the weeping willows which collected the storm water runoff from the surrounding road system.  We researched its history and cleaned out under the willows to make a safe fun play space for children to climb the trees, and put in a lake at the higher level which recycled water.  Unfortunately I used a strong plastic sheeting, with Council approval, but over time the pool became very attractive to dogs and their claws ripped the sheeting. The City concreted the base but altered the shape of the pond at the same time.” A great team of Kalamunda based workers implemented all Jean’s projects. Predominantly Italian, they followed plans faithfully under supervision.&#13;
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04:00 The Kambalda project followed her earlier work for WMC which was Belmont Office and Kwinana Nickel Refinery, and later the Kalgoorlie Nickel Smelter and Agricola College for the School of Mines. WMC (Western Mining Corporation) provided funds for Murdoch University to establish an environmental science department in lieu of an opening event for the Smelter.   Jean’s office in Kalamunda was established after the Institute had been incorporated, but they were always too busy and after several years she accepted an offer from WMC to take her drawing staff and work from their offices to continue the Kambalda Project and commence planning for the Alcoa Pinjarra project chaired by Prof Stephenson.&#13;
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05:20 Jean’s aim at Kambalda, was to establish a company town and operation in the indigenous setting of the arid woodland of the eastern goldfields. Planning started in the early 1960’s.  There was considerable financial pressure to complete the project in the shortest possible time.  Helen Whitbread included this project in her Master thesis and thought Jean’s plan was ‘before its time’ but to her was the logical solution for a remote town dependent on the life of an ore body.  After the opening, circa 1965, her team received acclaim for the result. &#13;
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06:40	The houses were all company owned and predominantly prefabricated.  Fences enclosed the ‘back yards’ and returned at the house level to provide safe green space but Jean kept the land forward of the houses as part of the verge which prevented the denudation of the existing vegetation and enabled areas  to be maintained by the workforce if necessary. She collected seeds and established a nursery for local species not available from government nurseries for both vegetation work and to be available to residents. There was an embargo on removal of existing vegetation and as the contractors moved out, Jean vegetated the many hectares denuded by their holding yards. Jean brought over the first wood chipper to WA and chipped the vegetation from the planned roads for mulch on other areas, to the horror of the Forest department, but it was very successful.  In a report by for Melbourne University, Professsor Oscar Ozar said that one of the main reasons residents enjoyed living in Kambalda was because of the established vegetation&#13;
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09:50	A second town, Kambalda West, was planned west of the known ore body as an open town in the Shire of Coolgardie, on the principles established at Kambalda East. &#13;
Jean believes landscape architects were the early environmental scientists.  &#13;
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12:25  Melbourne based landscape architect, Mervyn Davies, mentioned earlier, was a member of the British Institute of Landscape Architects and worked on the Perth airport development. John Oldham was also a member of the British Institute and a very good promoter of the profession from his position as Government Landscape Architect.  Gordon Stephenson organised the West Australians and arranged for the first informal meeting under the umbrella of the Royal Australian Planning Institute meeting in Adelaide in 1963. The meeting discussed guidelines for a professional body for the Institute.  Jean was the West Australian on that group.  The first Council was elected in 1966 with Dick Clough as President and incorporated in Queensland. Membership was by a recognised degree, or by a grandfather clause, which is how Jean became a founding member. &#13;
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15:00  In 1969 Jean was elected to the Federal  Council where she served for 10 years, during which time she was international delegate to the International Federation of Landscape Architects for three or four years, the last two as President of the AILA. Being the International delegate was a great experience.  At Mervyn Davies’ request Jean successfully put the case for Australia to join the International Federation to the Montreal AGM in 1975. In 1977, the AGM was held at UWA, with Dame Sylvia Crowe as guest speaker.  It was run by Michael Tooby, Vicki Metcalf who was assistant Landscape Architect at UWA and Jean.&#13;
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16:40	Late 1960s Kambalda East was completed and there was talk about making Kambalda West an open town which became the responsibility of Coolgardie shire.  Jean was working for Western Mining and due to start work on the Alcoa project.  Jean was approached by Arthur Bunbury about a new position at UWA. The Building and Grounds committee had recommended to Senate that a new approach was needed to campus planning and the committee was apparently looking overseas for a suitable Landscape Architect, when George Seddon recommended that Jean be considered. It was decided Jean would go to UWA once free of other tasks.  The establishment of the Alcoa facilities at Pinjarra, with an associated town, was at planning stage with Gordon Stephenson chairing a planning committee including Don Fraser and Associates, Gil Nichol as Architect and Jean as Landscape Architect.&#13;
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At that time engineers designed the V ditches, designed to carry storm water by a designed creek bed and required fencing.  Jean considered the ditches unsuitable and instead made them similar to a creek bed which enhanced adjacent space and eliminated the need for security fencing.  The Country Water Supply engineer commented that he’d never thought of handling storm water in such a way.  &#13;
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19:25	In 1970, Jean began working at UWA just one day a week, tasked with preparing a report on changes required to accommodate pedestrian and vehicular traffic following the completion of the Stirling Highway underpasses.  Jean believes she was selected for the job because of her strong horticultural base, her design skills and local knowledge. Jean’s responsibility was for the design and implementation of new landscape projects predominantly necessitated by the current extensive building program.  Following the recommendations in Jean’s report on vehicle and pedestrian movement, plans for the eastern walkway were prepared and the first project received approval in 1971.  &#13;
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24:00	Working with the University Architect, Jean’s aim for the eastern walkway was that the Memorial Buildings would become the perimeter of the Court by designing a paving to become an integral part of those surrounding buildings. Whitfield Court was surrounded by roadway and reinforced by the pencil pine trees, the buildings were isolated from the court.  Red bricks were used to link the existing bricks in the underpass and in Saw Promenade with the new walkways and provide the surround for the poured concrete. The final design for the walkway evolved during a discussion when they realised that the Canaletto print of the Piazza San Marco in Venice, which hung on the wall in UA’s office, had a similar character to the one they were seeking.  It took about 20 samples before the best compatible colour for the paving.  Compatibility is important through all the walkways to link the campus together. &#13;
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27:10	In 1971 the Vice Chancellor advised that the Whitfeld Court Walkway project would start and be carried out in stages.  Stage 1 was the eastern walkway.  &#13;
[The details, which Jean considered important, were to:&#13;
•	emphasise the stone edge of the covered way, which had been concealed by the bitumen footpath and&#13;
•	introduce a drainage channel to allow the walkway to grade to the east. &#13;
•	remove unsightly wing walls from the entrance to the underpass and&#13;
•	construct limestone retaining walls to extend past the bookshop.]  &#13;
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27:30 	Later the building linking the bookshop and Hackett Hall Refectory, which opened only to the east, was altered to provide a chemist and then travel shop opening to the west at an intermediate level.  The design which linked the four levels, allowed for a northern entrance to the Refectory below a new planting of Gleditsia var ‘Sunburst’.&#13;
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The eastern walkway was completed by the end of 1972 and the Vice Chancellor advised that stage 2 would encompass the western and southern sections. He wrote: “the completion of these two additional areas will at last do justice to the dignity of Winthrop Hall and its approaches, and will add further to the attractiveness of the Undercroft.”&#13;
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Work began on Whitfeld Court paving stage 2: the Western and southern sections. In late 1973 it was reported that: “Work on the new paving on the west side of Whitfeld court began in November ’73  and will be completed by the end of February.  The total area involved in the paving contract will be all the existing roadway from north of Administration to south of the archway at the Winthrop Hall entrance, and east to meet the new paving at the north end  of Saw Promenade.”&#13;
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30:38 	It was a very complex project and the design of the second stage of the Whitfeld Court paving included establishing a new level to be parallel to the covered way which involved: &#13;
•	excavating to a depth of 500 mm at the northern end and  a new entrance to what is now, in 2015 the Visitors Centre, &#13;
•	replacement of underground services (installed by the Design Engineer).&#13;
•	two new Donnybrook stone steps at new level at the northern end of the covered way,&#13;
•	two new flights of steps from the paving to the reflection pond level, &#13;
•	a redesign of the north western corner of Winthrop Hall (now again redesigned) and &#13;
•	reducing the road level south of the archway to avoid impinging on the vista through the arch and allowing the redesign on the southern levels to be below the floor level of the undercroft.&#13;
•	a change of level to the south western corner of Winthrop Hall, which enabled an unsightly Spiraea Thunbergia hedge surrounding the Howea Forsteriana (Kentia palms) to be removed and show the tracery of their trunks to advantage.  &#13;
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34:30 	Jean wishes she had been brave enough to push the pencil pines out because they prevented the building being the perimeter.  Many of the poplars were removed.  Jean was delighted when a visiting University planner asked if the walkways had been part of the original design.  Jean decided that this was a great commendation.  &#13;
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36:40	The project was complex and on Jean’s recommendation, the project was implemented by letting a series of small contracts, under her control. The excavated soil was used at other campus sites to complete several project.  Vice Chancellor, Professor Whelan would walk round the campus with Jean to discuss progress. She had several letters though from a member of the Bursar’s Office complaining that he could no longer cross the newly paved areas without wearing his sun glasses.&#13;
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40:20	Jean was officially appointed as inaugural landscape architect in 1974 with this duty statement:&#13;
1.1	Responsible to the University Architect for all matters in connection with planning and maintenance of grounds and sports fields, and for specific developmental work associated therewith as directed by the University Architect.&#13;
1.2	Responsible for the operation of the University grounds staff and its administration.&#13;
1.3	Responsible for the management of, and expenditure in accordance with University procedures, of funds within the annual Premises and Grounds section of the budget which relate to landscape development and maintenance, and the allocations for landscaping made from within Government grants for particular projects.   This includes responsibility for recruitment, industrial relations and training of a staff of 28, including the Foreman Gardener, and a formal training program for student or apprentice gardeners.&#13;
1.4	Advise the University Architect and when required other senior members of the University Architect’s office on the landscaping implications of building and site works projects.&#13;
1.5	Assist in preparing briefs for commissioned architects and other consultants appointed for new developments and assist the University Architect in evaluating the landscaping implications of their design.&#13;
1.6	Prepare designs and specifications for all landscaping work as required, including roads and car parks in collaboration with the Officer of Works.&#13;
Jean says her approach to her work is a practical one, bringing in projects under budget and utilising discarded soil on other projects, for instance on the Reid Library steps.  &#13;
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44:05	Changes were made to the grounds staff to provide training for both specific skills such as automatically controlled irrigation installation and to enable appropriate staff to undertake the two year course in Horticulture at Bentley Technical School on weekly day release and our skill base was increased by adding a stone mason and a bricklayer to enable most work to be undertaken in house.  Jean was comfortable being in charge of a team of men. She relates the story of introducing a new apprentice, on his knees weeding, to the Vice Chancellor and moved on.  Afterwards she went back to this boy and told him that when she stopped to speak to him with a guest, he should stand up, wipe his hands on his pants and shake hands.  His response was: “I don’t know whether you are my boss or my Mum”.  Andrew Gwynne who had come from Dawson’s Nursery became an outstanding foreman of grounds&#13;
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47:30	Friends of the Grounds helped provide funds for the book Landscape for Learning, by George Seddon. In the Foreword to ‘Landscape for Learning’ Geoffrey Kennedy wrote:  &#13;
“Some of the most attractive areas within the grounds of the University are Whitfeld Court, for the improvement of which Jean Verschuer was responsible, the Sunken Garden, Somerville Auditorium, the Great Court, the Tropical Grove, the Oak Lawn, Jackson Court, Prescott Court and Whelan Court.”  The changes to Prescott Court were designed after Jean’s time at UWA and the original layout of the Great Court was part of the Wilkinson plan with the Hackett Memorial Buildings in 1927 but finally not implemented due to the graduate development of the ‘Grove’ which had developed from plantings to screen a gardener’s shed and the initial plantings for the Great Court, carried out in 1930 by George Campbell, with his assistant Oliver Dowell. &#13;
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50:00	The other projects, large and small, were all part of our campus development between 1970 and 1980 to achieve a character which was appropriate for an important tertiary institution, that is, a tranquil park like setting for our beautiful buildings yet allowing  for maximum future building space, covered ways and quiet internal courtyards.  Their aim was; to achieve a place with a special relationship between buildings, spaces and vegetation, a place of higher learning with an uncluttered and tranquil park like setting, peopled predominantly by the University community.’&#13;
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51:30 	In 1973 there was pressure to use the Somerville Auditorium’s rather unattractive and largely unused space as a car park for University House. Jean was asked to report on this, she considered it was of vital importance to the University to keep this private space, to retain the cathedral of trees and restore it to an attractive grove, reinforcing the hedge of clipped Agonis flexuosa rather than have the present appearance of an unattractive outdoor picture theatre.   The stage had deteriorated and was no longer safe. Jean undertook to provide work experience for the REDS work experience scheme.  She set the participants to progressively work on 20 projects including the demolition of the stage. Initially not keen on the scheme, Jean says it was in fact very successful. The entrance to Botany was the last project worked on by REDS participants.  The area was mulched but Jean was no longer there when the vegetation grew and could be selectively reduced.  &#13;
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Somerville Auditorium:  The paving at the entrance, under the jarrah beams, Jean says, was dreadful.  It was a combination of different coloured octagonal pavers which Somerville had considered should become standard paving. The entrance was repaved with terracotta brick bands set in the lawn and re-graded the auditorium site to provide a raised mound to replace the stage for use by guest speakers or events and by inserting sleeves to hold temporary support for the summer film screen. The bio box at the eastern end was demolished to provide temporary access for a caravan with the necessary film equipment. Jean designed the ‘jousting tents’ for the ticket box which was removed at the end of the film festival leaving the cathedral of trees. &#13;
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59:00	Jean is most proud of Whitfield Court, although she does regret not completing the final stage.  When Music was relocated and constructed to the east of the Auditorium, Jean formed spaces for Professor Calloway to use for outdoor music events.  The architect wanted to remove the hedge on the north east side.  Jean objected as it would have ruined the containment of Somerville. Jean solved the problems and thereafter she was given the job of preparing areas for new buildings. She wrote a standard that included that tree roots were to be treated as an underground service and not disturbed. &#13;
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1:07:00 Whelan Court had been occupied by the telephone exchange building, shielded by a row of hibiscus species and adjacent to a through road above the Sunken Garden, which linked the western side of the Administration Building south to the entrance to the Bursars Office.  There were several beautiful, mature trees of Celtis mississippiensis  adjacent to the Prescott Room all at a level approximately 450 mm below the floor level of the Vice Chancellery.  When the telephone exchange was relocated to the Reid Library extension the space was redesigned to:&#13;
•	Improve visual and physical access to the Sunken Garden and provide an outdoor, reasonably private entertaining space for the Vice Chancellor at a level compatible with the floor level of the Prescott Room.. &#13;
•	The road was shown to be unnecessary and was removed, the hibiscus species were removed, soil levels were adjusted to build up the level around the Celtis species and east to the building. &#13;
•	Improved access both physical and visual, into the Sunken Garden above the Shann Memorial, was achieved by replacing the original steps with a longer graded walk.  The existing vegetation band east of the Sunken Garden, predominantly Rottnest Island Pines, was widened and other West Australian indigenous species, including several Xanthorrhoea preissii in a mature size and one Agonis flexuosa, ‘fairy foliage’, planted to the northern end of this group.&#13;
•	A limestone wall was constructed to the north of the entertaining area to provide privacy from the footpath adjacent to the southern face of the northern extension, a brick paved terrace installed beside the western face of the building and additional privacy provided by increasing the level of the soil to the south and dense planting running to the entrance to the Bursars office.  Professor Whelan used the new space for entertaining.  &#13;
At a conference in Brisbane, Jean discovered a South African grass which would thrive under trees and which was subsequently used in the Great Court and Whelan Court. &#13;
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1:14:25 Recognition of the changes made during the 1970s decade was received by The Royal Australian Institute of Architects’ Western Australian Chapter in 1979.  The citation was: In recognition of the contribution made by the University of Western Australia to a consistently good standard of architecture.  The last ten years have seen a major building expansion program at the campus which has enhanced the total environment by sympathetic relationship of buildings old and new and sensitively related spaces.&#13;
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UWA was awarded the inaugural Western Australian Civic Design Award in 1986 for excellence in civic design.  The submission was prepared using Jean’s work. I was unaware of the submission until the afternoon of the award when the Chancellor. When he accepted the Award he made it clear that it was Jean’s work on the panels which were on display. &#13;
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1:16:35   After taking early retirement, she was later asked to sit on advisory committees and  worked closely with Geoff Kennedy and a team to establish Friends of the Grounds.  Jean is Patron of the Centenary Trust for Women She received the Chancellor’s Medal saying it was a great honour.  &#13;
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1:19:00  Jean took early retirement in 1980 as her husband wanted her to be able to spend more time with him.  They found a small 100 ac property in the hills east of Harvey which they  developed together. Jean says it was very hard to retire in 1981 and has been very fortunate to maintain links with the University.  Jean has been an honorary worker for nearly 40 years during which time she re-designed the area around the Kalgoorlie School of Mines as a pedestrian precinct. &#13;
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1:21:10 In 2001, Jean was awarded an Order of Australia for conservation and the environment.  Jean says this is principally for her work in Kambalda.  She also holds the 1990 biennial award from her Institute.&#13;
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She feels fortunate to have lived till nearly 90: “what more could you ask for?”&#13;
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                <text>Lady Jean Brodie-Hall (Verschuer), AM, is a West Australian with a long and distinguished career as a landscape architect. &#13;
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In the 1960s, she was a founding member of the Australian Institute of Landscape Architects (AILA) at a time when the profession was in its infancy in Australia. Jean served on the Institute’s federal council for 10 years, during which time she was the delegate to the International Federation of Landscape Architects and in her final two years was President of the AILA.  In private practice, as Jean Verschuer, she worked extensively for Western Mining Corporation on their Kambalda project, at the Kwinana Nickel Refinery, the Kalgoorlie Nickel Smelter and the Agricola College for the School of Mine, amongst others.  &#13;
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Jean was appointed UWA’s first landscape architect in 1974. She was initially engaged to report on requirements for pedestrian and vehicular traffic following the completion of the Stirling Highway underpasses. As landscape architect Jean was responsible for the planning, design and maintenance of the campus in the office of the University Architect until her retirement in 1981. Her major achievements and challenges are discussed in the interview. &#13;
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In 1979 Jean became a Fellow of the AILWA and was awarded the AILA Award in Landscape Architecture in 1990.  In 2001, she was awarded Member of the Order of Australia for her contribution to conservation and the environment.&#13;
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00:00:00&#13;
Dr Joan Pope. Background information. Memories of brother at UWA St. George's College. Exciting times watching Catalinas on the Swan River from the St. Georges Tower. Memories of the Winthrop hall tower. Trolley bus seen from.&#13;
University towers, St George’s College,&#13;
00:02:58&#13;
Going to do music exams at the Chancellor's room. Meetings at the chancellor’s room. Sir Frank Callaway. First Music student in Arts 1954. Changing faculties to do music. Brother was not called up for War Service.&#13;
Arts student, Sir Frank Callaway, music&#13;
00:05:39&#13;
Concerts at Winthrop Hall. Father and the combined choir. Mother and starting music. Memories of the university. Dorothy Fleming and dance classes in the 1940s. Revived Greek dance and creative use of the body.&#13;
Winthrop Hall, Dorothy Fleming, dance classes&#13;
00:07:32&#13;
Dancing in The Sunken Garden. Long connection of UWA and looking at the way University of Western Australia was being run. A peaceful and orderly place. Passes to access the University buildings and the Americans. Nancy S1ewart and psychology. Pope experimented on at the Irwin street buildings as a child.&#13;
The Sunken Garden, Nancy Stewart, Irwin Street Building&#13;
00:10:20&#13;
Impressions of the Irwin St building. Only 250 girls doing leaving school exams. Tiny place. Memories of struggling to find way through UWA. Involved in 20 plays and Prosh. Experience of trip to England in the coronation year. Wearing casual clothes at UWA. Joan in the Daily News. Breaking traditions of UWA girls.&#13;
Irwin St building, plays and Prosh&#13;
00:14:30&#13;
Meeting Professor Callaway and music and Dalcroze Eurhythmics. Knocking on the door of the vice-chancellor and speaking to the professorial board. Frank Callaway's alternative view. Seeing UWA from an arts point of view. Memories of Josh Reynolds and the college plays. Professor Fox. Interesting experiments in Psych. Loved being there. Involved in many societies.&#13;
Callaway, Josh Reynolds, Dalcroze Eurhythmics, Professor Fox &#13;
00:18:10&#13;
Starting the Fencing Club and Lou Klepac * and the weightlifting club. Guild and Societies council. Mrs Hazlehurst and Mrs. McGowan. Organising things for students. Memories of playing Lady Godiva in Prosh. Members of the staff. Bert Buttle* and Mr [George) Munns. People have loyalty to the place. First hearing of Convocation. Getting involved in organisation. Two women on Guild. Giving a Socrates* speech and getting onto Guild council. Coming involved in council and the Machiavellian undertones.&#13;
Fencing Club, Guild, Mrs. Hazlehurst*, Mrs. McGowan*, Prosh, staff, Bert Buttle*, Mr Munns, Convocation&#13;
00:22:52&#13;
Getting involved and restrictions. The guild council would go on for a long time. Reps from The Senate at the Guild council meetings. Miss Jean Rogerson* Warden of Convocation. Conversation and the calling together of interesting elders. Getting the prize of Convocation. Including of the governance of the university.&#13;
Convocation, Jean Rogerson, governance&#13;
00:22:52 &#13;
Early impressions of Jean Rogerson*. Pale and not given to a lot of talking. A figure to be noticed. The Crawley Magazine. Honoured to be the 3rd female Warden of Convocation. Dr Roberta Jull. And ‘The’ Miss Rogerson .A great honour of being Warden.&#13;
Warden of Convocation, Jean Rogerson, Roberto Jull&#13;
00:28:00&#13;
Working way through UWA and memories and understanding of Convocation. Convocation did not have a place. Convocation was and still is invisible. Irwin street building and Convocation pavilion. Impressions of understanding Convocation. Joining committees. Kit [Katherine) Gray and Dorothy Ransom. Active in community activities.&#13;
Irwin St, Kit Gray, Dorothy Ransom, Convocation&#13;
00:33:00&#13;
Part time work and WAIT. Physical education. Sessonal teaching. Committees and Advisory Committee for Aged Services. Committee of Convocation wasn't like any other committee. Number of different agendas. Were or were not aligned with others. Subterranean things. What was Convocation was there for. Representative body of graduates. Subscription base.&#13;
Representative body, committees, agendas&#13;
00:38:40 &#13;
Why didn't it have any money. Convocation as a body and disinterest. Initiatives and subscription base. Elections. Numbers of people that vote for Convocation. Charming people on Convocation. Silberstein and Priest. Older and younger people. A lot of puzzles associated with Convocation.&#13;
Silberstein, Priest, elections, subscription &#13;
00:43:17&#13;
Impressions of sustaining Convocation. Clerk of Convocation and the governance of Convocation. Deputy warden to Bruce James. Secretary of Convocation June Blake*. Keeping records for whom and for what. Looking at records. The West Australian reports about the Convocation. Convocation views on Endowment lands. Convocation has a duty on the statutes. Dawkins* revolution and the Hetherington report. Numbers on senate. Implications for senate.&#13;
Bruce James, June Blake, Dawkins, Hetherington*&#13;
00:47:42&#13;
Women on committees. Which committees have a say so. On Senate as an observer. Meetings and the standing committee. Meeting an extraordinary number of interesting people.&#13;
Women, committees, Senate&#13;
00:49:29&#13;
Grey area for needs of the graduates. Things that worked in Convocation. Practical things that grabbed people. Lead up to the 75th anniversary. Plaque and the Irwin St building. The events committee and America’s Cup. Sitting on the art collection board. Holmes a Court, Heymans*. The Lawrence Wilson Gallery. Mallor's* money and Bob Smith. Raising money for the Art Gallery. Memories of painting ducks for money. Juniper and Haynes. The alumni association was a bone of contention. Trevor Wigney*. Getting big bickies from the alumni.&#13;
75th anniversary, Irwin St building, Lawrence Wilson Gallery, Mallor's*, painting ducks for money, The Alumni Association, Trevor Wigney*&#13;
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Interview 2&#13;
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00:00:00&#13;
Alumni Association with lots of finance. Alumni send a chill through the members of the standing committee. Vice chancellors like control over fundraising activities. Guild presidents Bob Nicholson* and David McKinlay* Professor Clyde. Trevor Wigney*. Senate pro the idea setting up something. Major fund raising set up through and the Hackett foundation and the Office of Development. Convocation and making bridges and working together. Voluntary service and the Hetherington* Report. Electing 6 senate members by Convocation.&#13;
Alumni Association, Bob Nicholson*, David McKinlay*, Trevor Wigney*, Senate, Hackett foundation, Office of Development. Convocation, Hetherington* Report&#13;
00:03:30&#13;
Somerville announces that Convocation is a sluggish moribund body. The vision and the Somerville auditorium. Fred Alexander and the Adult Education Board. University revue and the Winthrop hall and the auditorium. The roman word auditorium seems like a strange word to use in the Australian bush.&#13;
Somerville, Fred Alexander, Winthrop Hall&#13;
0:06:00&#13;
By 1980 nothing much has changed. Convocation a play thing for a few members. People on Convocation and thoughts regarding other committees. Doing things in a commemorative fashion. Rie Heymans. Convocation and the Friends of the Art Gallery. Bruce James was a Sunday painter. James Watson an art collector. Idea of the Friends of the gallery and the Senate's Art Collection Committee.&#13;
Committees, Rie Heymans*, Bruce James, James Watson, Senates Art Collection Committee.&#13;
00:08:30&#13;
Deputy warden and memories of other wardens. Bruce James. Convocation and the Friends of the library and Prof Silberstein. Convocation and finance for the historical society. Irwin street building and preservation for practical purposes. The fairy steps at the Sunken Garden and landscaping of the steps by Jean Brodie-Hall*. War time demountables and the Irwin St buildings. Festival of Perth and John Birman* and the Adult Education Board. 1953 Festival of Perth runs out of the old buildings.&#13;
Bruce James, Prof Silberstein, Irwin street building, Jean Brodie Hall*, Festival of Perth, John Birman*, Adult Education Board&#13;
00:12:14&#13;
Rescuing parts of the buildings. Entrance hall and the vice chancellors office and senate room and library. Convocation and the cost of moving and restoring the old building. Asking graduates for money. University and the alumni association and finance. Working parties set up to draw up a list of graduates. 4000 names turn into 10000 names for an appeal. Subcommittees working for a purpose. Publicity and promotion.&#13;
Senate room, money, alumni association, working for a purpose.&#13;
00:16:11&#13;
Bob Hawke was accosted at a cricket match. White-anting going on. Exciting projects and the Irwin street building and graduates. Kath Gordon and Annie Anderson, Miss Burgess and people who had been heads of departments. Donations and personal relationship stuff happening. Making contacts and friendships in Perth. Development and finance and initiatives that were taken. Hard to get staff to run committees and minutes. No memory bank. Difficult times with staff.&#13;
Bob Hawke, Kath Gordon, Annie Anderson, Miss Burgess, staff&#13;
00:19:56&#13;
Furthering the work of the university in the community. Extension service and adult education and outreach into the community. Linking work of UWA more closely with Convocation. Things have become more rigid. Involving voluntary committees with great ideas and changes in Convocation.&#13;
outreach into the community, voluntary committees&#13;
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Interview 3&#13;
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00:00:00&#13;
Memories of Convocation in the 1980s. Gathering more people around Convocation. The official meetings and disappointing numbers. Small functions. Tapping into people. Maintain contacts friend&#13;
raising and fundraising. 25 and 50th anniversaries and reunions. Hackett scholarships, travelling P and O scholarships. Getting people together for a particular purpose. Encouragement awards. Push for postgraduate awards.&#13;
Meetings, friend raising, fund raising, anniversaries, Hackett Scholarships, travelling scholarships, awards.&#13;
00:05:35&#13;
Deans came in academic dress. Memories of wearing gowns. Relaxed and formal. Being deputy and becoming warden. Bruce James and James Watson. Being nominated. West Australian women's fellowship. The art gallery and art collection board. Molly Roberts and Patrick Cornish. Convocation has its own magazine. Volunteers and staff.&#13;
deputy warden, Bruce James, James Watson, West Australian Women's Fellowship, Molly Roberts,* Patrick Cornish staff&#13;
00:08:50&#13;
The Crawley and the UniView. Having your own magazine and rubbing people up the wrong way. Hew Roberts. The lack of corporate memory. Pauline Tremlett trying to catch pieces from the minutes. Events and lunches in the city. Connections with the guild.&#13;
The Crawley, UniView, Hew Roberts*, corporate memory, Pauline Tremlett, Guild&#13;
00:12:30&#13;
Lack of gatherings. Jean Rogerson* and the trip to China. Plans for resuscitation. Bob Smith moving to have alumni. AUGC Australian University Graduates conference. Not all universities have Convocation. Universities viewing each other. People on convocation who have grand ideas.&#13;
Jean Rogerson, alumni, AUGC Australian University Graduates conference&#13;
00:16:15&#13;
Trying to raise funds for graduates. Travelling. Award brings dream closer. International children's theatre .Awards and accolades. Involved on sub committees. Hoping to contribute to the centenary. Involved again on the lunch reunions. Looking through the records.&#13;
Funds, awards, sub committees&#13;
00:19:30&#13;
Antagonistic feelings in the committees. Handling people on the committee. Men didn't like having women in the chair. The Crawley editorial subcommittee. New names and a blocked vote. Convocation replaces the warden via announcement via the Newspaper.&#13;
women in the chair, Convocation replaces the warden&#13;
00:25:39&#13;
Withdrawing the nomination. Acting like local government. Helping graduates and representing graduates voice. Graduates elected to the senate. Representing views. Chancellors and graduates of the university. Reporting back to the current council.&#13;
Withdrawing, graduates voice, graduates&#13;
00:28:20&#13;
Collaboration with the post graduates association. Convocation could help in a way. Assisting with post graduate enquiries and work placements. Mentorship. Needing more staff. Calling on past graduates to help with placements. Lack of staff and the growth of graduates.&#13;
Collaboration, graduates association, mentorship&#13;
00:31:49&#13;
Convocation today and interaction with other universities. Sharing ideas. Wishing Convocation had more staff and it own building. Staff and money is a huge inhibitor. Conscious of the changes. Changing the title Trying to describe to people that it was the graduate's association. People are confused as member of Convocations and association.&#13;
Sharing ideas. Wishing Convocation had more staff and its own building. Staff, graduate's association&#13;
00:36:50&#13;
Wish that they wouldn't call themselves the graduates association. The Convocation of UWA graduates. Email and change. Voting on line. Barriers and hurdles first. Pauline Tremlett and Unison*. Getting organisations and network and societies of the university to be aware of each other. Being proactive. Money.&#13;
Pauline Tremlett, Unison*&#13;
00:40:21&#13;
Abundant evidence of money being spent on ideas that will go belly up. Important people and groups on Convocation .The loyal women. Putting energy into a committee. People with the time to give. Retired professors, academics and fellows.&#13;
Money, loyal women, fellows&#13;
00:43:45&#13;
Particular role for people who have had staff associations. Losing contact with some. Coming back to Convocation. Trying to come to meetings. Stoush about the Alan Robson and endowment lands bushlands.&#13;
staff associations, meetings&#13;
00:48:18&#13;
Being involved and seeing UWA without Convocation. Sense of a role of its history. Overseas graduates. Events held in faraway places. Convocation representatives on the team. Turning up on graduate nights.&#13;
Overseas graduates, Convocation representatives, graduate nights&#13;
00:51:30&#13;
Upgrading website. Convocation is not high in the list. Balance between office of development and office alumni relations. Swamping Convocation. Intra state and interstate. Convocation gathering together like-minded bodies. The world is geared to marketing. Convocation marketing itself. Convocation needs to be a chameleon*.&#13;
alumni relations, marketing&#13;
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                <text>Dr Joan Pope OAM, Dalcroze Australia President, holds the Diplôme Superieur of the Institut Jaques-Dalcroze, Geneva and has influenced a generation of teachers, artists and performers through her teaching of music and related arts in Western Australian universities. She has given Dalcroze workshops around Australia and south-east Asia. Joan has been on many national and international committees for dance, theatre, music and physical education and in 2001 was awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia and the Centenary of Federation Medal for her contributions to creative arts in the community which included initiating Festivals for Children, Children’s Activities Time Society, Playgrounds on Demand and AYPAA, the Australian Youth Performing Arts Association. Joan is an Hon. Life member of AUSDANCE, a Fellow of ACHPER, and served as Dance Co-ordinator for WA, and on the National Board for a number of years, in addition to her participation with the ACHPER Nursing Homes recreation project. A former Warden of Convocation, The University of WA honoured her with the Chancellor's Medal. She completed doctoral studies at Monash University in 2008 researching the teaching of Dalcroze Eurhythmics in Australia and New Zealand between 1918 and 1929. &#13;
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00:00:00 Introduction background information and origins. Kiama. Schooling. Memories of WWII. Isolation in Sydney. Wollongong high school. David Lindsay. Decisions to do physical education. Sydney teachers college. Teaching in Newcastle. National service. Korean War 2nd /2nd battalion. Decided to go to the United States. The 1956 Olympic games.&#13;
00:05:50 Sport in the family background. Don Bradman. Memories of Father and uncle. Mother’s support and her nursing career. Sport and inspiration from books. Being a good swimmer. Kiama life saving club. Memories of surf life saving. Saving people in the surf. Hilton Osborne Bloomfield and Francis Hillman Verte. Memories of living near the beach in Kiama. &#13;
00:13:30 Involvement at the 1956 Olympics. Surf life saving. Second in the surf race. Wanting to coach swimming. Reading journals in sport science. Getting a Fulbright Fellowship. Going to USA. Primitive Olympics of 1956. Description of the facilities of the 56 games. Training in the rock pool at the beach. Professor Frank Cotton was a famous person. Anti G suit invented by. Memories of being taught by Frank Cotton. Assisted by Forbes Carlisle Group. Teaching self. Writing Knowhow in the Surf. First of its kind written in the world. &#13;
00:22:20 Coming to WA for the national Australian Surf Championships. Memories of Perth. Memories of the Crawley Baths. Competing with jellyfish. No knowledge of UWA. Experiences that direct Bloomfield’s career. Getting the idea to go to the United States. The push toward sport science. Comparisons to US training system.&#13;
00:30:01 Memories of experiences in Oregon. Biomedical science. Support for Australians in the United States. Masters and PhD in sport science. Teaching qualifications available in Australia. Thoughts of old wives’ tales in sport. Experiences in the United States and developing a scientific bent. Going to Europe. Jim Counsilman and Peter Sigerson.&#13;
00:37:44 Going to Europe and coming to Australia. Counsilman and hydrodynamics. Experiences of Poland, Hungary and East Germany. Coaching in the United States. Lack of jobs in Australia. Jack Cross offers a job in Physical Education at University of Western Australia. Not keen on WA. Primitive place Perth.&#13;
00:42:40 Talking to Commissioner of Health William Refshauge. Ralph Reader. Alternative views to health in the 1960. Thoughts of UWA reputation. Experience of coming to take up the position as Head of Physical science in UWA. Reg Moir – Prof Underwood and Blakers. No one was interested in sport science. Impressions of UWA in 1967. University’s ranking in Australia. &#13;
00:48:40 Sir Stanley Prescott. Exercise and the social and cultural attitudes. Being forced to start a Physical Education Course by Department of Education and Director General of Education Harry Dettman.&#13;
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00:00:00 Prescott’s views on PT. Regulations and orders handed down. No sweaty tracksuits. Activity to be conducted at the teachers college. Teachers and academics. Gowns and suits. Prescott’s archaic attitudes. John Birkett Clews. Rugby and Rowing. Prescott’s sporting interest. Training and techniques and interval training in rowing. Improvements in rowing and the Kings Cup. Memories of the America’s Cup team.&#13;
00:12:40 Memories if the lectures in the foundation years. Foundation head. New course and scientific direction. Relating to chemistry. Students become young scientists. Benefits of to teaching. Facilities at the school. No physical activities at the Universities. Clews and improvements on the campus. Impressing Prescott and working at the University of Queensland. Sir Zelman Cowen.&#13;
00:20:50 Interest in ballet and the beauty of movement. UWA style of program for Queensland. Memories of Sir Zelman Cowen. Pulling in very smart kids from TAE. Building up the school to compare to Physics.&#13;
00:24:50 Academics and the Australian sporting emphasis. The development of Physical Education. The importance of the school to other departments. Medical interest in ground breaking findings. Tim Wellborn. Predicting people’s cardiovascular fitness health. &#13;
00:32:30 Osteoporosis, calcium and exercise. New thoughts Saskatchewan and Richard Prince. Don Bailey. Sociological aspect to the Sport Science School. Medicine and psychological and mental strength. Sports Psychology. Sandy Gordon. The Olympic games and the importance of sport and Psychology. &#13;
00:44:10 Writing the white paper for the Whitlam Government 1972. Making observations from experiences around the world. Making changes with sport. Trying to impress the Liberal Government. Gough Whitlam was very interested in the political importance of sport. Gough Whitlam was not interested in sport. Fraser and Whitlam were unco-ordinated. Ministry of Recreation. &#13;
00:50:25 Writing the White Paper as policy for the Australian government. The Montreal games and the poor Australian performance. Ellicott and the new sport system for Australia. Benefits of the White Paper and UWA. Brian Burke and support for sport. &#13;
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00:00:00 The advancements seen in the faculty. Field of sport science and the faculty of science. Nationally rated and life science. In front of Ivy league Universities. Alan Robson and his contributions. Personal feelings toward success. Federal funding and performance. Funding comparisons with other universities. UWA and interaction with the new West Australian Universities. Status around Australia.&#13;
00:07:05 Notre Dame University and the faculty of health sciences. Things are happening in the west. Sports science laboratory, John Bloomfield award and Hollywood Hospital. State sport policy and the challenge stadium. Brian Bourke. Chairman of the Australian institute of sport. Bob Ellicott and Malcolm Fraser. The Olympics. Other countries have copied the way of the AIS.&#13;
00:16:15 People using Australia’s system. The Chinese vs Australia. Peter Shakespeare. Pioneering work and the growth of the Sport Sciences. Author, lecturer and consultant. Sir Stanley Prescott’s views. Being held down. The School Advisory Committee. Aims of the committee. McGillivray Oval. Personal awards and Professor Warren.&#13;
00:24:08 Proudest achievements and the students. Life Fellow of Australian Council Health and other awards. Sports medicine and Fulbright Scholar. Coming up with firsts. Sharing of knowledge. Hopes for the future of the department. Needs to be done. Advice and good leadership. &#13;
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He recalls the opinions of Vice Chancellor Prescott about the department and speaks of the instructions he was given by him on his appointment. He discusses his aims for the school and the how the department would grow looking at the teaching and development of the course structure for the new department. The school has been instrumental in work into cardiovascular studies among other areas which have been of major importance to medical and health advancements. He is the author of over 100 scientific papers and a number of books. He was invited to write the White Paper for the Whitlam government in 1972 that would later be adopted as the blueprint for sport systems in Australia. He has chaired numerous sporting bodies including the Australian Institute of sport and the Australian sports commission among others.&#13;
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              <text>00:00	Introduction by Anne Yardley.&#13;
00:37 Robert John Inverarity born 31 January 1944, Claremont. Mother Helen born 1908, Father Mervyn, born 1907 was a chartered accountant and talented cricketer. John enjoyed a happy childhood with many friends exploring the neighbourhood and playing sport, especially football and cricket . Schools: North Cottesloe Primary School followed by Scotch College. John loved the sport, the team spirit and the sense of community at Scotch.&#13;
5:55 He captained the school cricket and football [Australian Rules] teams. On a visit to WACA [Western Australian Cricket Association] aged six John envisaged he would one day play for Western Australia; he was selected to play for WA before starting university. &#13;
07:20 John’s ambition on leaving school was to teach. His father encouraged university studies and so he became the first in his family to go to university. He has always considered himself a teacher who played cricket, rather than a cricketer who taught. He had an idealistic streak and wanted to make a difference through teaching. Being part of a school community appealed to him.&#13;
09:50 Although very keen on cricket, teaching was John’s prime interest. As Chairman of Selectors for Cricket Australia, he has urged young cricketers to have a life—career and friendships— away from cricket to develop as people and sportsmen. When John retired after playing first class cricket he had a career to sustain him through the transition, unlike many other sportspeople. &#13;
13.20 Teaching fitted well with a cricket career. John chose UWA to avoid becoming a bonded teacher. Rod Marsh, Tony Mann and John ran cricket camps to help support their university studies. He completed an Arts degree majoring in maths and a Diploma of Education. He easily found a job teaching maths at Guildford Grammar and loved his two years there. &#13;
16:10 He loved his years at UWA; his major engagement with university was through cricket and football where he formed friendships. All day, from 8am, was spent on campus—at lectures, tutorials, in the library and with friends. &#13;
17:25 Cricket at UWA was pivotal: he was given responsibilities, opportunities and there were expectations made of him. Within two years, he was captain of the first grade side and won premierships. The combination of responsibility, opportunity, expectation and carefree times matured him. &#13;
18:25 He recalls Alan Robson, former Vice-Chancellor of UWA, telling students: “if you leave this university only with a degree, then we will have failed you.” &#13;
19:30 John found university academic life impersonal and remote, with some exceptions. He didn’t engage with learning as he had at school. He believes the university is better at engaging students now. Teaching styles have changed since the 1960s. &#13;
21:00 John enjoyed playing A grade football at university with Tony McCartney and Tim Kiernan, now well respected doctors, winning two premierships. University football was amateur whereas the cricket fed into the State team. &#13;
23:00 He was very disciplined at juggling the different demands on his time at university. In 1963 John sat his first three university exams in Sydney on the mornings of Sheffield Shield matches. While teaching and during home games, he would teach the first two lessons before hurrying to the WACA, play cricket, collect the school work, mark and get it back to students the next day. It was important to him that his students were supported, they were his priority. &#13;
25: 35 Arthur Williams was UWA’s registrar and patron of the cricket club during John’s student days and was very supportive. It “nearly broke my heart” to miss a Sheffield Shield tour because of exams. The then Chairman of Selectors was also a teacher and sympathetic.&#13;
27:15 John taught at Guildford Grammar for two years, 1967-8, and was away for nearly six months of 1968. He then moved to the government sector and taught at Applecross Senior High School, believing it would be easier to get teaching cover than in the independent sector. &#13;
28:25 He met his future wife, Jane McPherson, through his local church, St Aiden’s. They married in 1969 on a Monday night as it was his only night away from cricket commitments. Rod and Ros Marsh married six days earlier on a Tuesday night. Daughter Alison was born in 1970 and Kate in 1972. &#13;
30.45 John played six Test matches: two in the England tour 1968, one test 1968-9 and again in 1972 where he played three tests. Wives and families didn’t usually travel with teams then, but Jane and others did that year. &#13;
32:00 Playing Test cricket is, he says, a roller coaster ride; it builds resilience. Jane would provide the balance between high and lows. He remembers walking out to bat for Australia for the first time and was very excited but he was also excited walking out to bat for his school team at age 13– gradual incremental steps. Both the praise and criticism is excessive: “if you can’t survive that, you won’t last very long”.&#13;
34:25 Friendships have been important throughout his career. As Headmaster at Hale School, he believed in holistic education. Pastoral care was at the forefront and was best done through activities—working and playing together. In cricket the same: “I think friendships form best when you do things together. That’s the medium through which you get to know each other.”&#13;
36:40 When John became Headmaster at Hale in 1989, he was given the advice that he should stay aloof, but that style didn’t suit him. Whether captain, coach or headmaster, it is the position that sets people apart, he says, but he personally operates better on a more egalitarian, less formal, basis. &#13;
38:10 When coaching Warwickshire (from 2003), a South African player who found it difficult to address him informally, as John insisted, settled on “Opa” meaning grandfather. Now John is Opa to his grandchildren. &#13;
40:30 At Hale School John tried to teach students to have different forms of behaviour according to what was appropriate for different situations. At St George’s College he encouraged students to have respect for the position as well as the person and mentions occasions when visited by former Prime Ministers and the Vice Chancellor. As a teacher and headmaster he ensured he knew each student’s name. He considered it a mark of respect to the student.&#13;
43:35 As a teacher at Scotch College in 1969, during David Priest’s tenure as Head, he learnt the importance of appointing the right staff; the importance of creating an environment where staff flourish. &#13;
45:20 John has enjoyed all his teaching positions: “I love it, love it”. In 1976-7 he taught at Tunbridge School, Kent and became friends with England captain, Colin Cowdrey whose sons were at the school. He has maintained friendships with people there. &#13;
47:00 John became deputy head at Pembroke School, Adelaide while still playing cricket. Daughters, Alison and Kate went to Pembroke—a co-educational school and a different teaching experience: “a slightly chaotic but wonderful school.” During this time, he took a year’s exchange to King’s College School, Wimbledon. &#13;
48:10 He has debated whether co-ed or same sex schools are better. What matters more, he believes, is the whole tone of the school: the learning and teaching environment and the quality of the relationships. He liked the co-ed experience at Pembroke and at Hale the aims and objectives were changed to allow co-ed as a possibility. The idea was met favourably by some but with fierce opposition from others. It created an interesting debate. &#13;
50:00 John came to headmastership at Hale with clear ideas on education: “I have always been of the view that there is nothing more important in our society than the raising of our young.” His vision was for educated, competent, decent people to contribute to society. He abolished caning at the school and insisted students were called by their first names. He wanted all subjects to flourish and fostered music and drama. He encouraged kindness and respect. &#13;
53:30 Caning was still in use in many schools—less at Scotch in the 1970s than at Hale in the late 1980s and common at Guildford Grammar. At Hale, John made the rule that only the Headmaster could use the cane, and he didn’t use it. John was expected to cane at Guildford and did so: “never again, ever, ever.” He found it abhorrent. By the time he abolished caning at Hale it was becoming less common. &#13;
55:34 While Headmaster, John continued to teach at Hale considering it important to be in the classroom and involved in all activities. Leadership is about service, about being involved, he believes. There are different approaches to the role of the principal. John’s style was to know each student, many good principals operate differently. &#13;
59:00 John’s mentors: Bill Dickinson, Headmaster at Scotch during John’s teaching years. There were colleagues at Hale who were confidants and very wise men with a sense of expectation and of trust. &#13;
1:00:20 Accountability and trust: while there needs to be a level of accountability in recent years there’s been an increase in an emphasis on accountability. Checking up on people comes at the erosion of trust. He believes people respond better when trusted. He describes how he responded positively to his colleagues at Hale who gave him their trust. It brought out the best in him. &#13;
1:02:00 When John came to St George’s College he was told that he needed to stay on top of the students. For John, the relationship is a partnership with him as a moderating force who shows trust. Alan Robson, UWA, was a wonderful leader with astute judgment who showed respect. He empowered others. John tried to empower staff at Hale. &#13;
1:04:55 At the end of 2002, John finished 14 years at Hale. He felt he’d given what he could and that the school would benefit from fresh input. After a coaching and teaching stint in England and at Notre Dame University, Fremantle, he wanted to get back into education and was offered the position of Warden of St George’s College. &#13;
1:07:00 When at Hale, John told students it was expected that they would do their best and the school community depended on their contribution. The way to contribute was through each person’s personal qualities: kindness, consideration, helpfulness. Students at good schools find it easier to be engaged than students at university who are only on campus for tutorials and some lectures as these are now online. &#13;
1:09:40 University offers a fantastic life for students who involve themselves in the university community: “I think it’s a great pity that so many students go to university without getting engaged.” A residential college offers full immersion and John is a huge supporter of college life. John was Warden of St George’s College for six years and on recent visits sees the college continue to develop. He recalls a visit by John Howard, former Prime Minister, and believes the students lives were enhanced by the experience of dinner and a question and answer session with Mr Howard. The college offers scholarships and prizes, doing well is valued. Third and fourth year students take tutorials for younger students. &#13;
1:11:50 A key to college life is communal dining and St George’s has a rule that students can’t save seats but must sit where there are places, thereby getting to know each other: “Everybody was expected to know everybody else”. Dinner conversations were lively, well informed discussions. A music program was developed that included tuition, a Winthrop Singers Choir sang Evensong at the Chapel. Very interesting visitors were invited to speak at fireside chats . There was a scholarly atmosphere. John recalls Alex Wood, a medical student, and others, giving carefully prepared tutorials. &#13;
1:14:40 “The learning and teaching environment was just of the highest quality.” Dynamic, purposeful, focused but relaxed. That builds a learning community with wide ranging interests and cross fertilisation amongst students. Sport was played on Sunday, again, to build community. Strong relationships were developed. John has maintained contact and former students visit his home for networking and mentoring evenings. &#13;
1:17:10 John explains the difference between halls of residence where “a bit went on, but not much more”. What should set colleges apart is the quality of offerings outside the mere dining and living experience. He places Oxford and Cambridge at the top, mentions Trinity College, University of Melbourne next, and ranks St George’s College as being several rungs lower but striving. With new accommodation the numbers of students in residence is increasing; John is very supportive. The difficulty will be offering the full college experience with many more students. Proximity to campus means students are more likely to become involved with university life. &#13;
1:20:00 Students in the UK tend to leave home to go away for university which has not been the experience in Australia. This is a pity. There is a “brain drain” from Perth with students going to Sydney, Melbourne, and the ANU. Colleges are especially useful for country students to immerse themselves in the college environment. The Warden’s role is to create the leadership, the enthusiasm and environment in which students “take the bit by the teeth”. &#13;
1:22:50 In a college, as in a school, teachers could start to cruise when peer group pressure reached the point teachers wanted it to be when: “it was cool to work hard; it was cool to acknowledge excellence; it was cool to be kind and considerate; it was cool to be respectful and tolerant; it was cool to appreciate the music and drama if you were a sportsman; it was cool to watch the footy team if your thing was music and drama.” Teachers lead by the signals, subtle reminders they give. For instance, at Hale sports reports were traditionally mentioned first, John put arts first, it needed the encouragement. &#13;
1:25:15 David Newby, who had been at school with John, became a Rhodes Scholar and was at St George’s. That was an important time for David which he acknowledged by giving the college $50,000 a year for five years which allowed for art classes, music classes and others. &#13;
1:26:40 Student base at St George’s: about 70% from rural Western Australia; 20% from overseas; 10% interstate and metropolitan students. John ensured there was a needs based approach to accepting students, for instance, the “mythical student from Kalbarri High School” and wanted to give these students an opportunity. Most settled in well with the welcoming environment. John would interview 150 applicants for the 70 or 80 places. He was conscious to allow the less confident students the chance to attend the college and to flourish. &#13;
1:30:20 For Young Australian of the Year [2013], Akram Azimi attending St George’s College was a life changing experience. John recounts his first meeting with Akram suggesting he apply to the College but he lacked the funds. John managed to obtain a scholarship for Akram who went on to spend four or five years at the College. He studied science, law and arts. He conducted tutorials in anthropology, anatomy, biology: “He was extraordinary.” &#13;
1:35:00 John doesn’t believe it is possible to solve the problem of inequity in offering places to worthy students. “Each one is a gold nugget and his [Akram’s] was a very shiny gold nugget.” More scholarships are needed. Andrew Forrest is putting 15 million [dollars] into a post graduate college to be affiliated with St George’s College which will include scholarships. “Scholarships are very, very important.” Present Warden, Ian Harding, taught at Christ Church, has a background in banking and is a good financier. John mentions the American model where enrolments are made on merit and those who can pay contribute extra to a coffer, those who can’t receive help from that coffer, plus endowments. A way can be found for students without the means: “we’re babes in the wood in that regard in Australia but St George’s collect has gone a bit in that direction and is getting better.” &#13;
1:37:20 John would like to see all UWA students spend one or two years in a College, meaning more places must be made available. Costs would be considerable. St George’s College has been going since 1931 and has received significant endowments, initially from Hackett who built the college with support. Providing college life for all is a long way off. &#13;
1:39:20 John would like to see more money coming from the public purse but doesn’t see this as a priority for public money. Primary and secondary education, support for the disadvantage are higher priorities. He believes it would be rewarding for people with financial means to support students at college and enjoy that relationship. &#13;
1:41:30 After six years John felt he had given what he could to St George’s College. He was approached by Cricket Australia and believed he would enjoy that experience [as Chairman of Selectors] but that in time he would like to be involved with a college again. He’s now spent two and a half years with the cricket selectors. He and wife, Jane, have travelled and became involved with that community. It has been a demanding job which he has enjoyed but not as satisfying or demanding as running a school such as Hale. &#13;
1:43:45 There have been two very strong strands in John’s life: education and cricket. In cricket he most enjoyed captaincy, having responsibility for the team, being in charge and attempting to create an environment where the whole was greater than the sum of the parts. The most important element in coaching is creating an environment in which players do their best—where they thrive and are a cohesive unit. That comes from trust, confidence, mentoring. Having that role fascinated John and is common to cricket captaincy, coaching, headmastership, teaching in the classroom and St George’s College, and with the family: “That’s who I think I am”. Someone who likes challenges. &#13;
1:46:50 John is now going to England [June 2014] to contribute to a leadership and mentoring workshop: “I’m not ready to stop looking for challenges.” While still not ready for retirement, he is ready to work less hard. John maintains a connection with St George’s College, recently giving a successful fireside chat and enjoying Evensong and concerts. He is a member of the UWA Senate: the Board of Governors of the University. He loves the involvement and the environment of young people gaining confidence and qualifications to make a difference in the world. &#13;
1:49:30 Family is a very important part of John’s life. He and Jane have been married 45 years. Daughters Alison and Kate are both married, in Melbourne, and each has two children. The Cricket Australia position has allowed John and Jane to spend time in Melbourne and to take their grandchildren to the MCG. He would like to see his grandchildren benefit from spending time in a university college in the future. </text>
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              <text>Interview 1: Thursday 6th September 2012&#13;
Track 1	&#13;
00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
00:40	&#13;
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Track 2	&#13;
00:00	John Richard Melville-Jones. DOB 27/08/1933 Marlow, Buckingham, UK.&#13;
00:23	First school was in Rumney, a suburb of Cardiff attended from aged 6. Already knew how to read. Found school boring so he was moved up one form. Only problem was mathematics was not up to speed for 2nd form. &#13;
01:59	After 2 terms, his father put him into a better school in Devonshire which was a preparatory school leading towards Public School. He transferred here the next year. This was now 1940 and some of the staff had left to fight in the Second World War but it was nonetheless a good school. The worst teacher was the history teacher. But the language teacher was good. Started doing Latin aged 8 years old. Those who were good were allowed to start Ancient Greek when they were 10 years old. &#13;
04:13	This went on until he was 13 when he took a Scholarship examination for the Public School he later attended, Clifton College in Bristol. He became a boarder here.&#13;
04:27	Went to Clifton in 1947 and stayed here for 5 years. By this time, he had a good grasp of mathematics. At prep school the master would sometimes give the students question from University examination entry papers. Did some French as well.&#13;
05:20	After 2 years at Clifton JMJ took the School Certificate examination. After that, he concentrated on Classics for several years. Finally got a scholarship to Emmanuel College, Cambridge. Stayed on at school for another 2 terms and took the Higher certificate a second time in English and Ancient History.&#13;
06:49	During the Second World War he remembered the food rationing especially that of sugar and jam. School meals were very basic. Otherwise the war had little impact on his life.&#13;
08:15	Saw German airplane jettisoning bombs into the sea that had been made for Plymouth. Paignton was full of US soldiers.&#13;
09:46	No idea of future career. Later on, had ideas of working for an oil company.&#13;
12:48	3 options – do Post Grad work at Oxford (limited income); librarian or teach in a private preparatory school. He had done this between leaving school and going up to Oxford.&#13;
13:55	Booked into Emmanuel College 2 years after leaving school in order to do National Service but he was rejected due to health. Could go up after 1 year, so had to find employment for the gap year. Taught English, History and Geography in prep school in Colwyn Bay, North Wales. 12-15 in the class.&#13;
15:54	Taught himself how to ride a motorcycle. Evelyn Waugh had taught in this school and wrote about it in Decline and Fall.&#13;
17:18	After University got another job in a Prep School but the college tutor found him a job in a secondary school in Cambridge teaching Classics and Ancient History.&#13;
17:45	At the same time, the job came up in WA through the Old Boys Network. One of the teachers from Emmanuel College was from NZ and encouraged young men to go to the Antipodes b keeping an eye of vacancies that were coming up. He told JMJ to apply and wrote him a reference. JMJ sent a two page airmail letter with photo. Referees were consulted and after a while a telegram was sent offering him the position.&#13;
20:21	&#13;
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Track 3	&#13;
00:00	Discussion of what JMJ knew about Australia. Australian relatives.&#13;
04:28	At the time JMJ arrived, quite a few English migrants had come in.&#13;
05:22	JMJ travelled out first class on Himalaya. UWA a State University. Very luxurious.&#13;
07:00	Most recent appointees seemed to have come from UK due to need for expansion.&#13;
08:00	Met by Professor Austin when he arrived.&#13;
11:17	&#13;
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Track 4	&#13;
00:00	Impressions of Perth. Arrived in June and thought it was like an English summer. Started teaching the next week with a 3rd year Ancient Greek class.&#13;
00:46	Lived in St Georges College. Meals cooked. Walked to and from classes at University.&#13;
01:18	In August he went for a swim at Cottesloe and wondered why he was the only one!&#13;
01:53	Hitch hiked to Carnarvon to see more of WA. Meal entirely consisted of lamb.&#13;
02:50	Tutorial system in Cambridge was 1 on 1 or 1 on 2. Teaching done in the University. Just had a check list of questions to ask. More pastoral care.&#13;
04:36	Dined at High Table with other Academic staff wearing their gowns. Students did not wear gowns to lectures and had not done for some time, although Law Students had only just stopped wearing them. Older teaching staff wore gowns but most wore a jacket and tie.&#13;
05:44	Hardly any advice given by Prof Austin. Left to his own devices. The other member of staff was Paul Weaver, an Ancient Historian.&#13;
06:51	Arrival of JMJ brought student staff ratio in the department to 11:1. Now 20:1 is considered low.&#13;
07:12	Timetable different. Students were mostly part time and lectures were at 4:15pm; 5.15pm or 6pm. Many were teachers. This lasted for many years. There were repeat classes during the day.&#13;
08:52	After six months JMJ started his PhD. It would be unusual now for somebody to get a university appointment without having a PhD. It was JMJ’s decision and also the second member of staff, who was ahead of him by 18 months, had been doing a PhD. &#13;
10:11	Appointment of Professor Austin who started in 1952. Job originally advertised in 1950 but the person appointed (Mr Daunt from the University of Sydney, who was considered brilliant), had a nervous breakdown and did not turn up.&#13;
11:45	The first person appointed to Classics with a PhD arrived 5 years after JMJ, in 1962. Two secondary school teachers who joined after JMJ did their PhD’s after they joined the department.&#13;
12:43	In the 1950s and 60s all the Australian universities were expanding at a rapid rate due to the Murray Commission recommendations. This enabled Classics to get a typewriter and then a slide projector.&#13;
13:40	1960s expansion. Arts building built in 1963 and occupied in 1964. Previously the Faculty of Arts was accommodated on the upper floors of what is now the West Administration Building&#13;
14:02	In 1959, a small annexe was built on Fairway. JMJ moved down there&#13;
14:48	Should have submitted PhD in 1960 but had arranged to go back to the UK for a year to do a post graduate diploma in Classical Archaeology. A few days before sailing in August, the PhD was typed with 1 copy and 3 carbon copies and it needed to be collated and bound. He turned his leaving party into a collating party with disastrous results.&#13;
16:25	The papers were left in a cardboard box. By the time he returned some additions were necessary. The thesis was on Antigone (the tragedy by Sophocles) comparing 6 examples of this play produced between the 16th-20th centuries. During his time away another Antigone play was produced.&#13;
17:44	Busy on return from UK. After doing diploma course and visiting places in Greece and Italy, he had photos and was allowed to start an extra unit in Classical Art and Archaeology.&#13;
18:20	It was very easy in those days to start a new unit. Nobody objected and the procedures were minimal. The progressive proliferation of petty processes and procedures.&#13;
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Track 5	&#13;
00:00	Conclusion&#13;
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Interview 2: Thursday 27th September 2012&#13;
Track 1	&#13;
00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
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Track 2	&#13;
00:00	Return from England in 1961. Went to Italy and Sicily and caught the ship from Naples to Perth along with many Italian immigrants. Had become quite proficient in Italian. Not first class travel this time.&#13;
01:42	Moved from St George’s College to a ground floor flat in Eric Street, Cottesloe that belonged to a colleague who had gone on study leave. &#13;
02:34	Lived here for two years. Remembered being afraid in the second summer due to random shootings. Later discovered to be Eric Cooke. The last man to be hanged in Fremantle Gaol.&#13;
03:28	Started teaching things he had learned doing a Postgraduate Diploma in Classical Archaeology (Cantab.) 1961 to Honours students in Ancient History. Then he was allowed to start a full second year unit of Greek and Roman Art and Architecture. This continued until 2011. Designed as background for Ancient History students but also for those who wanted to do the “Grand Tour” of the ancient sites.&#13;
04:24	UWA beginning to expand. More money from Commonwealth Government. Enrolments going up and new courses invented. In 1963 UWA got its first computer. It was the size of small caravan. The only computer on campus. Available 24 hours a day. &#13;
05:12	A great step forward. Computer got the first air conditioner. UWA was very uncomfortable before air conditioning during the summer months. Many of the staff would migrate to Albany.&#13;
06:05	Back to teaching and research. Socialised. Sang in a choir.&#13;
06:27	Missed out on the sexual revolution of the 1960s when the world went mad. Dress and hair were very different. Jeans became the uniform.&#13;
07:29	Tutor in Philosophy had long caftans, bare feet and long hair and a wife or partner in similar campus. They had a little girl they called Jesus. Administration much smaller. If you wanted more staff you went and asked the Vice Chancellor. One day this went wrong for the Professor of Philosophy who was pleading his cause when the Vice Chancellor happened to look out of the window and see the tutor sitting by the pond with his feet in the water! The Vice Chancellor thus determined that the Philosophy Department were not too overworked! &#13;
09:29	UWA booming. 1970s things began to slow down and money became less available. The Whitlam Government abolition of University fees did not make that much difference to UWA as they did not charge for lectures. However, people who might not have thought of going to University began to feel that they could. &#13;
11:24	This was particularly true of married women. Many of them realised a potential that they did not realise that they had.&#13;
12:43	The Arts particularly attracted more women. Women seem to be better with words. Attitude of women who attend university now is markedly different to those who attended in the 60s and 70s. Many of them were marking time until they found “Mr Right”.&#13;
14:28	Women on staff. One lecturer caused a sensation when she didn’t leave her job to look after her husband when she got married. Another lecturer in English claimed some fare money for her husband to accompany her on study leave. This caused quite a shock!&#13;
16:20	It was unusual to have married women on the staff. Some of the older women on the staff were unmarried due to a lack of suitors due to the carnage of World War One. &#13;
17:10	Things are very different now. Maternity leave, parental leave etc.&#13;
17:35	Before he left for England JMJ was accommodated on Fairway away from the rest of the department but it enabled him to have his own office.&#13;
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00:00	In 1964 the Department moved into the new Arts Building. It was deliberately built to fit in with the original Hackett Buildings.&#13;
00:45	By now the Classics Department were all on the same corridor and had its own secretary. They could get together and chat over morning tea in the Common Room.&#13;
00:12	Their numbers crept up and peaked in about 1971 when they had 10 teaching staff plus a secretary. Then when people left they weren’t replaced. Today (2012) there are 3.5 staff.&#13;
01:46	There is money for part-time assistance. Tutorial numbers are now 20 or more people rather than 10-12.&#13;
02:28	Contact hours have been reduced. Classics students used to have elementary language classes 4 hours a week. Then it was cut to 2 hours. Due to the problems this caused, it has recently gone up to 3 hours per week. Two hours a week is not enough to study Latin or Ancient Greek.&#13;
03:06	Internet teaching is a new thing. JMJ to attend a public lecture on this. Students can access lots of material online. This would not lead to a degree but perhaps a certificate. This may be an ideal way to study for people who have time or distance constraints. &#13;
04:13	JMJ does not think this will work with language studies.&#13;
04:22	UWA finished teaching external students in 1972 when Murdoch University was started and they took it over. JMJ would have 5-6 students a year (usually school teachers working outside the Perth metro). A circulating library was set up between them and it worked very well.&#13;
06:54	Does not work for language teaching where you need a lot of personal feedback. It might work with Italian which is phonetic.&#13;
08:08	Amusing experience of attending a lecture held in 1970s by a visiting Italian in English. He had no knowledge of speaking it. Pronunciation of “through”.&#13;
09:13	Discussion of Mandarin and Chinese language system and writing. French and German. English is more difficult.&#13;
10:00	JMJ started off teaching all language and literature with an occasional lecture in Ancient History. Later he developed his own unit in Greek and Roman Art and Architecture. &#13;
10:24	Taught First Year unit in early Greek history and translation for many years. Poems of Homer translated and studied against the architectural background.&#13;
11:31	Course now cancelled due to change of structure in UWA. &#13;
11:50	Developed a research interest in coinage and numismatics and ran a course in this subject for Honours students.&#13;
12:31	Classics had little contact with the Archaeology Department at UWA as they do prehistoric rather than Classical archaeology. JMJ tried to arrange some links with them when he was Head of Department but it did not work out.&#13;
13:05	Classics have had an archaeologist on staff since 1990. He has done work in Jordan. He does not do much digging.&#13;
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00:00	The early library was in a cramped space in the Administration Building. In 1960, the Undercroft in Winthrop Hall was enclosed in glass and the library moved there until the Reid Library was built.&#13;
00:51	The librarian, Leonard Jolley had a great deal to do with the planning and design of the building. It fits in very well with the Great Court.&#13;
01:24	It has storage problems now. And some things are stored elsewhere.&#13;
01:43	It has moved with the times. You can get articles online within 2-3 days of requesting it. Books have to be posted.&#13;
02:12	In the 1960s and 1970s, many universities were created. Murdoch was named after the English Professor, Walter Murdoch. &#13;
03:20	Murdoch tried to be different from UWA. Developed different subjects.&#13;
03:37	Religious studies developed at Murdoch. Professor Austin in Classics had tried to get this going at UWA. Shot down by Leonard Jolley. They also took over external studies.&#13;
04:29	Now specialises in veterinary science&#13;
04:51	Then three more universities were developed – Curtin, Edith Cowan and Notre Dame.&#13;
06:04	Architecturally very interesting university. Conversion of old warehouses.&#13;
06:43	&#13;
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00:00	Clouds gathering in the 1980s. Less money and more paperwork and procedures. An application for a job now is much more complicated than when JM applied for his job. Attending a conference is also much more involved: 2-page proposal approved by 2 or 3 people.&#13;
01:59	Is it empire building by administrators or the increasingly litigious nature of society?&#13;
02:47	More people seem to be engaged in non-academic activity on campus than doing teaching or research. Parkinson’s Law.&#13;
04:25	Comparison with 10th or 11th century Byzantium Empire.&#13;
05:01	Student numbers have gone up. Cap on numbers controlled by Commonwealth Government.&#13;
05:35	Language departments in trouble – the ancient languages particularly. Increase in numbers due to students from other departments such as Botany taking a language as part of a “broadening unit”.&#13;
06:40	University education used to be for the upper or middle classes. Perhaps some would be better off learning a trade?&#13;
07:59	In India so many people have degrees but can’t find a job.&#13;
08:20	The problem of selling an Arts degree including Classics to parents.&#13;
10:12	Many Classics students have got jobs in teaching, academic life, tax department, public service, libraries. None seem to have gone into the tourism industry.&#13;
11:42	Discussion of tours in 1982. Two weeks in Greece and two in Italy. Stopped after two years. Looking around in Turkey for ideas for another tour but fell asleep at the wheel due to the long distances. &#13;
14:19	Somebody also fell sick on the second trip. No insurance. Risky of being sued. Has been suggested again but JMJ feels he is too old now.&#13;
15:14	The trip took place outside term time in January.&#13;
16:11	&#13;
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00:00	Conclusion&#13;
00:27	&#13;
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Interview 3: Thursday 11th October 2012&#13;
Track 1	&#13;
00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
00:32	&#13;
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00:00	Has not done the same thing at UWA. Have had 5 different careers – Classicist; Greek &amp; Roman Art &amp; Architecture; Numismatics; Byzantium &amp; Venetian studies; Stefano Shipwreck and Australian history. Enjoys the variety of different work.&#13;
03:54	Very concerned about proper English grammar.&#13;
04:30	Honorary position from 27 July 2012. Taken off the computer system without prior warning. Lack of communication from Human Resources. &#13;
07:07	There are other people who have officially retired but want to continue working. No remuneration but the use of the phone and computer is not to be under-valued.&#13;
08:20	There is a process. You have to state what you are doing and there is a review every 12 months.&#13;
09:01	Input of department into Emeritus Professor but not sure of their role in reviewing honorary positions.&#13;
09:55	Called on for help with a translation (from Greek to Latin to English) with lots of information about coins. Has made his reputation as somebody who knows about Ancient Greek and Latin texts referring to ancient coinage.&#13;
11:50	&#13;
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00:00	Dawkins Reforms of the late 1980s. Aim to provide more higher education and encouraged academic research. &#13;
02:24	How do you measure research?&#13;
03:46	Attempts made to judge things on the number of publications. Evaluation through citations. JMJ cited many times for an article due to a mistake on the dating of a coin!&#13;
06:15	Evaluation of journals. Some journals are not ranked well because they are foreign journals.&#13;
07:50	Eventually this scheme was junked.&#13;
08:00	The effect of the push for institutions to do productive research.&#13;
09:18	Discussion of Liberal Arts Colleges which are popular in the US.&#13;
10:12	The problem of having promotion linked to performance as a researcher.&#13;
11:00	Summary of the effect of the Dawkins Reforms.&#13;
11:35	&#13;
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00:00	Discussion on his book on the buildings of UWA and Hackett bequest. &#13;
01:36	Research in the archives and Senate records. &#13;
01:54	Discussion of Hackett bequest. Winthrop Hackett died in 1916. The £40,000 distribution did not have to take place at once.&#13;
04:18	Interim period and the only building erected on the Crawley site was in 1925 when one was erected in Park Avenue. A plain red brick building. In 1926 the Senate received £425,000. Competition held to pick the architects.&#13;
06:58	The site now attracts a lot of questions about the decoration, sculpture and mosaics.&#13;
08:15	Discussion on the Aboriginal paintings on the ceiling beams in Winthrop Hall. Referential architecture.&#13;
10:09	Stories about things that happened including the joke at the Debutantes ball with Law students pretending to be young women.&#13;
12:05	Hopes that the book will be a success. To be published by Hesperian Press.&#13;
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00:20:30 Memories of Hugh Callaher. Development of career, Royal Perth and Stan Reid at King Edward. Proactive recruiting. Advice given. Basic training and going overseas. Defined by where you are sent. America and Tom McCarthy Australia’s first specialist. Wanting to go to Africa. &#13;
00:25:18 Zulu Hospital in Edendale. Cyril van Hildren. Going to England and fellowship in California. Life’s work foetal medicine, caring for sick women. Memories of South Africa. Child dies first night on call. Challenges experienced. Cord prolapsed experience. John Miller. &#13;
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00:40:40 Research at UCLA. Working on sheep. Sport science meetings. Camaraderie, challenge, excitement of getting new data. Interaction, interdepartmental collaboration. Catheterised sheep. Los Angeles. Coming back to Perth to do more sheep work. Murdoch and sheep work. Agriculture and sheep foetus. Ultrasound. Sheerer help with ultrasound work on pregnant sheep. Alan Joe. Taking over the market in sheep research. &#13;
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00:11:00 Internationalisation of UWA, Alan Robson, progress. Successful in isolation in 1984. Memories of parliamentary enquiry and interview panel. Cohort study in isolation. Medical sheep research. Success of Raine and sheep study. &#13;
00:16:40 Isolation and success. Benign dictatorship and the Alan Robson show. Support of Alan and thoughts of internationalisation. The story of China. The Confucius Institute. Learning Chinese. Experience of visiting China and giving lecture, giving a speech in Chinese. The Chinese were impressed. &#13;
00:24:23 Doing ward round in Kungming and Beijing. Chinese and pre-term birth. Rates of pre-term birth. Nanjing and work on 2.9% Chinese preterm death. Westernisation of Chinese women increases as a result of modernisation. Honorary Professor of Obstetrics Nanjing, Adjunct Professor Peking University. Thanks for the University of WA. &#13;
00:29:30 Reputation of UWA in 1981. Memories of Louis Landau. Early life studies. Memories of Fiona Stanley and Neville Stanley. Neville Stanley microbiology. &#13;
00:34:00 1999 story of construction of sheep research facility on campus UWA Perth, Shenton Park bush. Animal ethics community and no sheds. Costs of construction. Surgical training on sheep and laparoscopic work. Combining funds and the surgical training at the cricket nets. Great success story of sheep and surgical study.&#13;
00:40:35 Head of School of Woman’s Health. School reviews and best international standard. Formula for recruiting people. Tailoring jobs for the individual. The Department’s achievements and research foundation. King Edward Memorial Hospital Research Fund. &#13;
00:45:23 Competition with Fiona Stanley. Costing and recruiting KEMHRF. Volunteer and profit for research and building up the department. Research foundation, The University Department and building the School.&#13;
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00:00:00 Gordon King – first Dean of Obstetrics and Gynaecology. Stanley Prescott and Gordon King. Gordon King’s wartime story. Escape north from Hong Kong, continued teaching Chongqing. Training recognised by Britain. Hong Kong restored medical system. Justice Kennedy. Gordon King scholarship. &#13;
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00:16:06 Midwives become sub-dean. Mark McKenna and Sandra Carr. Midwifery want to be independent. UWA and the community. Notre Dame and UWA teaching and research. Value of university. Comparisons between UWA and Notre Dame. Marketing. Research and teaching. Somerville Auditorium. Community perceptions.&#13;
00:22:30 International reputation has grown. International students add to the university. Good promotion of UWA. Curtin and Murdoch improving. WA in the top 20% worldwide. Future research changing over time. Predictions for life before birth. Epigenetic signatures leave messages over thousands of years. Tiny glimpse and price of doing genome. Early development studies. Future health developments in genetic knowledge.&#13;
00:30:17 Technology benefits and detriment. Human life experience. The team and the University as a whole. Breaking down the barriers. Conferences. More memories of Stan Reid. Ultrasound pioneer. Stan Reid and Alan Bond and the America’s Cup. Looking at old diggers from World War One as motivation. Understudy for the dean. Born lucky. Final words. &#13;
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00:00:00 Introduction and background information. Coming to Australia the best place to go. Kalgoorlie and the finding of gold. Schooling and secondary school education. Intrigued how living things must obey the laws of chemistry and physics. Medicine. Scholarship. Stimulated by Bayliss and Waring. Neville Oscar Professor of Classics. University and the beautiful surroundings.&#13;
00:05:42 Couldn’t afford St George’s College or Thomas More. Staying at the men’s hostel. Glen Store, Hugh Tyndale Biscoe, Bill Barker, Nell Mare. The sense of community. Ron Hutchins on ethics and morals. Ted O’Keefe. People from different disciples interacted. Sitting on the lawns and discussing issues at meals in the refectory. Michael Small ancient Greek scholar lives next door. &#13;
00:10:40 At the University 9-5 absorbing what the other disciplines have to offer. Easy to mix with other faculties. Great learning atmosphere. People stimulate young eager minds. Privileged to be at university. 1956 could not stay in WA. Collection of money from the local area for the building of the medical school. Fred Maslen. Eager support from the community. People want for a medical school. Great reputation of the university in the community. Mature age students. &#13;
00:16:19 Experience of going to Adelaide: a formal place, run on Germanic lines. Discipline at the University of Adelaide. Professor Abbey. Sir Stanton Hicks. Mark Mitchell. Peter Nostell was the trigger to go into research. &#13;
00:20:50 Welcomed back from Adelaide as prodigal sons and daughters. People wanted to teach students in the teaching wards. Pathology starts to impress. The clinicians and the wards at the Royal Perth Hospital. Memories of the Royal Perth Hospital experience. Clinical expositor to the students. Students assist with surgical procedures. Memories of the Thoractomy. Numbers affect the teaching of students. Ian Thorburn who worked unpaid. &#13;
00:27:50 Memories of Eric Saint, Dick Lefroy and Hurst. Cecil Lewis bends six inch nails and tears telephone books. Gwyn Brockis. Theories of playing music in the surgery. The patients of the professor. Memories of Rolf Ten Seldam. John Little and Max Walters. Max was a bridge between staff and students. &#13;
00:33:40 Connection between staff and students. The culture that existed at UWA. Microbiology and Neville Stanley. Rolf ten Seldam and introduction to electron microscopy. Playing around with viruses. Research studies crystallize. &#13;
00:37:30 Reovirus 3 and Neville Stanley. Playing cricket with Neville Stanley. Community and camaraderie. Graduating in 1962 with distinction prize in pathology. Surgical skills. Alec Dawkins and orthopaedics. Thesis 1969 Neuro infection with Reovirus 3. Explanation of the action of the Reovirus. Insights into the way virus infect tissues. Published in the American Journal of Pathology.&#13;
00:43:41 Children and the Reovirus infection and insight into the human condition. Electron microscopy, histochemistry , enzymology developing in the 1960s. &#13;
00:44:55 Research fellow in 1964. Research assistance. Securing national health grants. CJ Martin Fellowship overseas. Experiences of travel and the Fellowship experience. Knowledge gleaned from travel and conferences. Numbers were small. Reputation of UWA nationally. Medical school developing reputation in Medicine, Surgery and Pathology and microbiology. Biochemistry and Ivan Oliver. Liver development. George Yeoh and the damaged liver. Established research programs. Allan Morgan achieves a CJ Martin Scholarship. Stanley and others were supported by NHMRC grants being awarded to people only ten years after the school opened. Competing favourably with the rest of Australia.&#13;
00:50:35 Personal career development. Keen interest in research. Overseas experience at the Rijk University in Leiden. Chemist Van Duyne. Chemistry at a cellular level was very reliable. Freiberg and Professor San Ritter. Studying the rejuvenation of body tissue to injury. Liking the approach in England and Holland.&#13;
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00:00:00 Return home in 1971, teaching facilities compared to overseas. Research facilities not up to scratch at UWA. Pathology department in Perth. Support from UWA and NH&amp;MRC. Electron microscopes installed – research facilities pick up. Getting trained international quality people. Instilling German principles. Increase in facilities. Good time for resources. Research programmes. How the body heals self. &#13;
00:06:00 Looking at diseased tissues. Building up research facilities and techniques in the diagnostic area in WA. Concerns. Applying international principles. Histochemical and ultra-structural techniques. Dawkins brings expertise to WA. Kakulas brings international attention. Growth of Neurological depts. Royal Perth QE2. Parochial view and the growth of international focus – international conferences. Academic community in WA in 1971. Hong Kong and national attention. &#13;
00:12:30 Senior lecturer in 1971. Changes. Instilling information and the question mind. Small classes and personal connection. The human element. Connection between staff and student. Technology and the numbers of students. Sustainable learning. Being inspired by a human or a Mac computer or online site. Virtual online course. Blend of technology and human interaction. &#13;
00:16:25 Community and geography and interaction with the medical school. Drawbacks and the campus versus medical school relationship. Development of the training hospitals. Max Walters fuses resources into one huge department. Envy of other departments on campus and nationally. Pathology a much more productive department. Loss of resource and people weakens effort achieved.&#13;
00:20:36 Support from national and medical research council, UWA and health grants resource and encouragement in the 1970s. Positions scientific and academic for research and teaching. Support diminishes during the 1980s and 1990s. John Dawkins’ policy. Memories of the John Dawkins era. Becoming a business and getting funds. Inheriting problematic situations. Bureaucratic demands of business models. Strengthening and weakening the departments. Department at the coal face of teaching drawing students to the department. Failing to hook talented graduates. &#13;
00:25:25 Aims of personal teaching. Concepts of disease – fine details. A paradigm of what disease is all about. Molecular biology. Evolution of disease. Formulating hypotheses. Past students experiment as practitioners. Advice. The social aspect of UWA academics. Cohesion disappears. Emails and achievements. Body language and communication.&#13;
00:31:15 Associate Professor. The devaluation of position today. Firing enthusiasm of medicine and science and research. Students seduced by money. Enthusiastic students. Research funding tougher to find. The Telethon Foundation, National Heart Foundation, Cancer Council that support. Committee and research funding. &#13;
00:36:40 Strategic partnership with industry and research training schemes. National resources and collaboration with other departments. Engineering. Anakusal. International people are attracted. Moshe Wolmen. Professor Spector, Willerby, Kakulas. Lazarides, Skellor. Impressed by the potential. Improving as a result of visits by the leading lights. Imaging unit fluorescent cell sorter. &#13;
00:42:42 Money and personnel is a constant problem. Development of technology. Physical sciences and biological sciences. Outbreak of SARS and discovery of other virus. Technical expertise lost. Costs of equipment.&#13;
00:45:11 Medical illustrations unit. Gem of the medical school. Harry Ubencis. Images produced for study and informative. Development of personal career. Chair in pathology. Resources and theoretical approaches to research. Eyes of Australia and molecular biology. John Mattick contributes to study. Molecular analysis of disease. Need physicists to be involved more. &#13;
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00:00:00 Internationalisation of UWA. Exchange students in Sun Yet Sen University in China. Chinese and Australia connections. Reputation of Australia and UWA. Reputation and the international standing. International standing international students. Alan Robson and Paul Johnson. Collaboration.&#13;
00:06:00 Imitate and emulate the better universities. The universe and Particle physics and modern biology. Biology at the forefront at University. Developments. Major discoveries and the last frontier. Understand the hard nuts of research. Marshall and Warren and the problems associated with contracts. The flexibility of failure. Examples of Nobel prize war and emigration. &#13;
00:10:14 Development of career – becoming head of department. Work and scientific aspects. Opportunity to experiment. Deputy Chairman of the Australian research centre of medical engineering. Detecting and killing brain tumours experimentation. Money and funding and support. Involved on committees. Experiences of the Lotteries Commission. &#13;
00:15:00 Academic committees and the current scholastic situation. Insight from the PhD committee. UWA PhD students compare favourably with world standards. Positive signs for the university. Improvements and catching up. W.A. will gain as will UWA. Maintaining a strong academic research focus. Bureaucratisation and positive directions. Administration and leading. &#13;
00:20:22 Personal involvements in community organisations. The St John Ambulance Brigade. Member of the ethics committee of the Coroner’s Court of WA. Teaching the community and learning from St John Ambulance Brigade. Tony Kierath. Hypocrates plane tree. Community’s response to UWA. People come to UWA festival. Culture and the arts. &#13;
00:23:12 Boorhave Research professor. The Perth group and the HIV sceptic group in Perth WA. Asking questions about HIV. Rethinking theories and strengthening approach. Going back to study Ancient History in UWA. Brian Bosworth, John Jory, Mervyn Austin. Insight into historians minds. John Melville Jones. Looking back and looking forward. Talent and resource and the Singapore University example. Excitement of University study and career. The history of Pathology in 50 units.&#13;
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00:00:00 Introduction, origins, father’s war hero brother. North Sydney Boys High School - selective high school. Commonwealth Office of Education. UNESCO. University student on a full wage. &#13;
00:05:00 Liking psychology. Employee of the Commonwealth. Approval from the minister Paul Hasluck*. Working at the University of Sydney. Going to Princeton University. Special assistance service. &#13;
00:09:15 Australians and tennis. Personal assistant. Academic qualities and Mrs. Myers*. Myres Briggs type indicator. &#13;
00:14:45 White Anglo-Saxon Protestant stereotypes. Sydney University or UWA. &#13;
00:18:00 Why UWA? Memories of psychology. &#13;
00:21:45 Coming to UWA in 1961. Memories of UWA and Perth. University and women. The Tuart club. University wages. &#13;
00:25:55 Debate and learning. Academics very influential. Agriculture and Eric Underwood. Trace elements in the WA soil could be fixed. Gladstones and the potential for growing wines. &#13;
00:27:30 Discovery of mineral and economic potential of the state. The effect of migrants. Ron Taft and Alan Richardson. Assimilation of migrants into the state. &#13;
00:29:30 Deficiency in disabled facility. Aubrey Little*, Eldam Morey. The community of intellectualism in 1961. Alan Edwards and the New Fortune Theatre. Nolan paintings. Memories of Underwood and general intellectual staff. Faculty of Psychology. &#13;
00:34:00 Teaching and research university. George Seddon*. UWA and its intellectual internationalism. Asian and European influence. &#13;
00:38:20 Quality of students and staff. Standards – Princeton and international comparisons. Technical facilities at the university. &#13;
00:42:00 Psychometrics and publication in journals. Princeton, visual perception. The Ames Room. &#13;
00:46:50 Visual perception, developments of study and research. Light strip, impact on the brain. Moving signs. Betagraph*. Success in marketing. Gloucester park Betagraph. &#13;
00:51:35 Attempts to make money and funding. Television signals and Merrill Lynch*. Being inventive. Carnarvon tracking station. Establishment of the visual laboratory. &#13;
00:55:20 Australian Research Grants Committee. Cost of computers. Mathematical structure and mathematical analysis. NASA and startling research at UWA.&#13;
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00:00:00 Elaborating on the vision laboratory. Applying mathematical techniques. Becoming a full professor. &#13;
00:04:48 American academia and psychometric stuff. Computers and Visual Perception. Isaac Newton. Problems of displaying results. Research grant application. Psychometrics. Refugee Montey* and the Carnarvon tracking station. &#13;
00:10:20 Carnarvon, lab, getting equipment. The visual system and differences of the eye. Stereopsis experiments. Three dimensional psychometrics. Straight and dynamic stereopsis*. &#13;
00:14:25 Point stereoscopes. Information and storing of visual system. Resources of visual perception. &#13;
00:17:15 New lab and studies and UWA standing. New way of television. Random scanning. Monitoring systems. Sending encrypted pictures. The Bell Labs. Building a model of the encrypting method. Minister of defence. Trouble with American defence and Pine Gap. &#13;
00:22:40 Cheaper methods of display system and the Betagraph. UWA were beating the gong and the random scanning TV taken to Trade fair in Chicago. Prescott and the front page news. &#13;
00:25:00 Support from UWA. Donation and financial systems. Vice Chancellor and special meeting of the Senate. Being crucified by the Chancellor. University and decision-making committee. &#13;
00:29:00 No people who were support for the visual lab. Inventions.&#13;
00:30:55 Saccadies and vision laboratory. Amazing factors of the eye movement and judgement of a subject. Dave Bure – Moroney*. Nobel prize winner and the Korean institute. Movement of the eye and a stable image. &#13;
00:34:45 How does the system work. The brain makes the adjustment. Shifting point of reference. Working out cute experiments. Compression of space. &#13;
00:37:50 Travel. National Institutes for Health. Changes with the operation of the physiology of the eye. Movement of the eye in a lifetime. Working in the Bell labs. &#13;
00:40:30 Research at the bell labs. Money and huge discovery. Interaction, Cambridge and Commonwealth Fellow. Fellow of St John’s. Physiology. &#13;
00:43:35 Deputy Vice Chancellor of Research. Growth of the department and PhDs. Committee work, politics. Carmen Lawrence detests doctors. Strategic plan of the country. Medicine run from Melbourne. &#13;
00:47:11 Carmen Lawrence and the head of the planning committee for National and Research Council. MHNRC. Running the organisation. Development of career and directing the department. One Professor system. Retaining important people. First and second professor system. The professorial board. Reader and deputy professor. Status of professor has gone. The Doctor Professor. &#13;
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00:00:00 Seeing psychology of UWA. Memories of the temporary building and shambles. Lack of professor of psychology. Kenneth Walker* Professor. Comparison to the European views of psychology. Moral philosophy and the shame discipline. Walter Murdoch and Murdoch University. Split in psychology&#13;
00:04:55 Scientists and practitioners of psychology. Freud. Humanistic and scientific practitioners. Experiments and the science. Tension and internal conflict. Animals and experiments. &#13;
00:08:35 Struggling with the problem and becoming a reputable subject. Experimental psychology is harder. Humanistic and clinical proportion split. Changes in department and current perceptions. &#13;
00:11:45 Components of the department. Study in child study centre. Helping adult and mental illness. Friction between in medicine and psychologist. Interactions between Faculties. Understanding the history of psychology. Comparisons between Psychology and Law building. &#13;
00:18:11 Prescott era and entrenched views. Mandatory to wear a gown. University hierarchy. Staff meeting and impromptu speech. Keach* and the opened and closed mind. &#13;
00:21:51 Studies, animals. Jarvis* accountant, visual experiments on counting. The number four.&#13;
00:29:00 Animals, counting, making judgements on numbers. Brain and visual system. Quantitative calculations. Big groups in England. University College London and College de France fighting over findings. &#13;
00:33:33 Earliest development of perception. The Visual Cliff. Children, cats, octopus. Solidifying the community of academic learning. Drawing people from all sorts of disciplines.&#13;
00:37:50 Thoughts on university, specialities. Saccadic Eye Movements. &#13;
00:40:30 Changes in University – bureaucracy, money, community. Real research outside university. Training and teaching. Academy and Greek experience. &#13;
00:43:40 Learning, lecturing, studying, advice. Oppenheim* and lighting cigarettes and Tompkins* hand gestures. &#13;
00:47:25 Learning more and growing up. Joining in at the university. Changes. Psychology and expansion. Internet and social media. Staff and student interactions. &#13;
00:52:50 Improving the course structure. Teaching outside areas of interest. University jobs and the cost of high class cognac.. Centres of scholarship. Competitive, Cambridge and Oxford. Oxford and drunkenness.&#13;
00:57:00 High point of University the government and money. Menzies, Whitlam and Dawkins. University and mass education. Ratings and world standards. Harvard and lowering of standards. The quality of education. Final words and doing a dreary job. Surviving and poor quality of journals. Lang Hancock.&#13;
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              <text>Track 1	&#13;
00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
00:28	&#13;
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00:00	John Leslie Toohey. Born 1930. &#13;
00:10	UWA Law School began in 1927. Professor Beasley was Dean for 20 years and his last year was in 1947 – the year that John enrolled at the Law School. Professor Beasley was succeeded by Douglas Payne who had come out from Oxford.&#13;
01:20	There were many ex-servicemen among the students in 1947.&#13;
02:08	Went to Meekatharra aged 5 or 6 and then to Lake Grace. Educated at High School in Perth as there was no high school at Lake Grace. Went to St Louis, Claremont which was a Jesuit School from about aged 10. At the time John’s father was in the RAAF, so John became a boarder. A year later, his mother and siblings moved up to Perth. Went back as a boarder in his last year of schooling.&#13;
04:42	Began to think about law as a career. Interested in humanities. Encouraged by David Walsh, a senior criminal lawyer in Perth who came to school debates.&#13;
06:14	Entered a law course in 1947. Had a good matriculation and this was sufficient qualification for enrolment in those days.&#13;
07:10	A student from 1947 to 1950. Impact of ex-servicemen on the Law School. Many were good at sport. Several law students took part in the State Rugby Union team.&#13;
09:18	Ex-servicemen benefited from advice of younger students with studies.&#13;
09:56	Three or four women students on the course.&#13;
11:25	At that time (post WW2) the Law School was located on Fairway in a building that had been used by the US Navy. New Law School built in 1967. &#13;
12:26	Professor Beasley dragooned ex-students into helping move the Law Library to the new premises. He was very proud of his library and would not have contemplated the law library being subsumed by the University library.&#13;
14:08	Temporary building constructed of wood or asbestos. All lecturers and classes held here.&#13;
15:29	Fairy conventional lecturing style. Tutorial system developed more in later years. Limited academic staff at that time. Use made of part-time lecturers from the legal professional.&#13;
16:50	John began tutoring at St George’s College during his second year of articles. He tutored Randolph Stow&#13;
17:34	Would lecture part time during his time in legal practice. Dean invited Ian McCall and John Toohey to join the Law School as full time lecturers. By this time the academic staff had grown to 6 or 8.&#13;
18:19	There was still a need for more academic staff and John taught part time for several years but found that the hours impinged on his legal practice. He would lecturer at 8.30am.&#13;
18:52	John Toohey taught property law. Certain subjects benefited from having teachers with practical experience.&#13;
20;00	John found that teaching part time did not give the students time to interact with the lecturer and ask questions. He had to be back in the city at 10am in order to run his practice so it made the teaching element a bit rushed.&#13;
21:06	&#13;
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Track 3	&#13;
00:00	LLB degree took the form of 17 units. 12 of them were law units and 5 were broader – Philosophy, Eng Lit, Economics. Gave the degree a breadth. Some people took a law degree and went into the diplomatic or public service.&#13;
02:01	John Toohey did a double degree and graduated with an honours degree in Arts in 1956. Did a major in Philosophy .&#13;
04:17	The Law School was self-contained. Very strong inter faculty sporting rivalry.&#13;
05:25	There were pranks but they were not malicious. There was a particular rivalry with the engineering students.&#13;
06:03	In those days the law students were required to attend lectures in gowns.&#13;
06:28	There was a refectory where students could get food plus there were shops in Broadway.&#13;
07:18	At that time politics were very popular among the students. Communism was a subject of much discussion. There was a University Labor Club. John Toohey and Bob Hawke were members at one time. This was later felt to be too left wing and a university branch of the ALP as established on campus.&#13;
09:34	The student guild also was divided along political lines at this time. There was a national union of Australian university students and reps would attend conferences in Europe.&#13;
11:53	The guild did a range of things. At this time, there was an outbreak of TB. The guild set up a small committee and they did work associated with that. Testing was done at a building which became the Fire Brigade HQ in Murray Street.&#13;
13:39	Socially students were hampered by finances and lack of independent transport. Dances were held at the refectory. There was an annual law ball each year. The Blackstone Society held dinners.&#13;
14:38	&#13;
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Track 4	&#13;
00:00	Some students were supported by their parents. Many worked part time at weekends. Commonwealth scholarships were available. If you earned money independently of the scholarship then the scholarship grant was reduced.&#13;
01:34	John supported himself by working in the holidays. He worked shovelling coal at the East Perth Power House and at Robbs Jetty Abattoir. The jobs were well paid and he enjoyed the physical work.&#13;
03:06	Some students who had parents in the law would work at a firm during the holiday.&#13;
03:53	It did help to know people in the profession once you had qualified in order to get a job.&#13;
04:25	John Toohey worked with David Walsh for a little while but he did not have wide contacts in the profession.&#13;
04:52	He graduated with First Class Honours so he was able to find employment quite easily. [Out of 18 students that graduated from the Law School in 1950, John was the only one to be awarded First Class Honours].&#13;
05:32	John is unsure how many people in his year graduated with First Class Honours.&#13;
06:17	John won the Frank Parsons prize was for the most outstanding graduate. The H C F Keall Prize was for the best 4th year student. These prizes were awarded by the Law Faculty.&#13;
07:10	There were assignments as well as exams. The tutorial system later became more developed. &#13;
08:50	A lot of weight was placed on the exam. If you failed a unit you could retake it. Contract was found to be a very difficult subject by all the students.&#13;
09:46	Exams were taken in the Law School and administered by them.&#13;
11:57	The results were posted on a board at the Law School.&#13;
12:35	University class mates. Had no friends at school that attended UWA Law School. Made a lot of new friends including Bob Hawke and Alan Barblett.&#13;
15:24	Friendships made irrespective of differences. They would meet each other working as lawyers at the courts. John also kept up with people through the Law Society.&#13;
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