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00:00	Family background. Family on both sides have been in WA since 1853 and settled in Toodyay and York. Carmen’s parents, Ernest and Mary, both lived in this area. They married just before the end of the Second World War and moved to a soldier settlement called Gutha in 1947 and had seven children. Carmen was educated at a Catholic boarding school in Dongara. The Lawrence’s were very keen for their children to get the education that was denied them. From the age of 7 to 10, Carmen attended school at Marian Convent, Morawa then went back to boarding school at Dongara. At age 14 or 15, she attended Santa Maria College in Attadale where her older sister had been. The standard of Catholic teaching was not very high at this time. There was no careers advice.&#13;
08:53	Carmen attended UWA in 1965 when she had just turned 17 (on 2 March). She enrolled in subjects she liked and was good at and did a general arts degree. She gained her Leaving Certificate and passed 7 subjects with 6 distinctions (equal with Robert French, the current Chief Justice of the High Court). St Catherine’s where she boarded provided some advice and support. St Catherine’s was the only women’s college and there would have been about 80-100 female students boarding there. In Arts there were more women so the ratio would have been about 70/30 but the campus was full of male students studying medicine, science, law and engineering.&#13;
12:10	Lectures were held in the new Arts Building from her second year. She studied Psychology, Economics, English and Italian. Psychology was very interesting. There was an old Psychology Building located where the new Child Studies Centre is behind Maths and the Computing Centre. The Department was interesting and lively. It was more or less part of the Arts Faculty but uneasily straddling Arts and the Sciences. English literature was interesting but she felt there was no point continuing with it if she was not going to become a teacher. Dorothy Hewett, and Fay Zwicky were tutors. The tutorials were more memorable than the lectures! Italian was very good for teaching pronunciation as she had never spoken the language before. Economics was enjoyable in 1st year but not so much in 2nd year. She was awarded a prize in economics and in psychology so was encouraged to continue with these subjects into 2nd year. She dropped English and Italian in 2nd year and did a first year unit in Biology. Alan Richardson tutored Psychology at Saint Catherine’s. John Ross and Vince Di Lollo were young academics. The student body in the Psychology Department were friendly so Psychology won out over Economics.&#13;
16:53	The school was anti-Freudian and very behaviourist. Human behaviour had always interested her. The degree became an end in itself. She did not think about future use. She picked up more prizes in 2nd year and was chosen to do Honours at the end of 2nd year (a Bachelor of Psychology). She was thinking about being an academic but then took a year off and re-thought her path. She was offered jobs due to her good results and had no trouble getting jobs that she applied for.&#13;
19:49	The early 60s on campus was still fairly quiet and conservative. Carmen took part in various organisations at St Catherine’s but the emphasis was on study. There were social events between the colleges. There were sporting events. It was like a small country community. She was involved with the undergraduate dramatic society and the Newman Society (the Catholic Society). The psychology community had their own club. The social life was restricted more or less to weekends. Most of the students were supported by their parents or had Commonwealth Scholarships. She did not take a job in term time but worked over the summer holidays in the Psychology Lab. Both Carmen and her younger sister were supported by their parents at St Catherine’s College. Her three younger sisters also attended UWA and her parents bought a house in Shenton Park where they moved on retiring.&#13;
22:54	St Catherine’s was a bit like a boarding school. Pat Church, the Warden was very strict. In 1967, as a senior student (elected by the student body) Carmen tried to intervene when a boarder was expelled for having a man in her room. There was a common room for tutors and senior students. There were formal dinners where residents wore gowns. No drinking was allowed. If you were over 21 and invited to the senior common room then you could have a glass of wine with the Warden. When you had enough of these rules and regulations you found alternative accommodation. Carmen left during Honours. The rooms contained a bed and some storage and a study desk. Students were encouraged to use the common rooms to make tea and coffee and socialise. The food was institutional but better than boarding school. There was not much provided by way of lunch on campus so many students returned to the halls or took a packed lunch. The campus finished at the Reid Library so it was quite easy to return for lunch.&#13;
26:52	All the colleges interacted. There were balls, sporting events and dinners. All of the colleges had balls and these were a highlight. Carmen and her sister made their ball gowns. The dresses were made of satin or silk and elbow length gloves were worn. She also made her everyday clothes. Sometimes there was a band. Many people had their own radios and listened to popular music. Spare time was spent mixing on the campus or at the beach in the summer or playing sport. Student clothing was fairly formal. Female students wore skirts and jumper – trousers were rarely worn. It grew more informal in the 1970s.&#13;
31:25	Discussion of topical issues took place in tutorials. St Catherine’s had a series of tutorials that were run by campus academics. It was a sheltered world. Television was rare and discouraged. Radio and reading were the ways students found out what was happening in the wider world. The student movement gathered momentum in the early 70s. When Carmen returned as a PhD student in 1970 she tutored at St Catherine’s and became involved in the anti-Vietnam movement. Having travelled around the world for a year in 1969 she had been exposed to more ideas. Carmen recommended at one of the anti-Vietnam marches and meetings that young people should burn their draft cards. This was totally illegal. [Phone rings] The campus was very lively in the early 70s. Carmen then decided that she didn’t want to complete her PhD and left in 1971. St Catherine’s students set up the Libertarian Socialists. They campaigned against the Miss University Quest. Women’s issues, Vietnam and social issues generally were being discussed in the lead up to the 1972 Federal Election which saw Gough Whitlam and the ALP take power. &#13;
36:06	St Catherine’s College had a float in PROSH complaining about the absence of women in politics in about 1967. The protest over the beauty contest (Miss University) was in about 1971. It was the last year that it was held. There were very few women academics and those in the university were only at junior levels. &#13;
40:30	Carmen had not been a member of any political societies on campus and considered these people to be to-ing the line and just playing at politics. The Guild appeared to be a training ground for politicians. In 1970-71, the PhD students went on strike as they were being underpaid. They were successful and PhD payment rates are now linked to whatever is paid to an externally contracted person. University teaching was also under scrutiny in the 1970s. UWA had not kept pace with shifts in student opinion and global opinion. It was conservative and a little bit complacent. Murdoch University began operating in 1973 and WAIT became Curtin so there was more competition.&#13;
46:00	As part of their lab work, Psychology students used the computer centre. There was a big mainframe computer to analyse the data. They had to write the programmes and handed them over to the computer staff who hand punched the cards which were inserted into the computer. It took days to get the results back.&#13;
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Interview 2&#13;
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00:00	When Carmen decided not to continue with her PhD studies, she took a 6 month research contact with the Department of Corrections Unit in West Perth. She also visited prisons. The psychology element in prisons today is almost non-existent. Then she worked as a research assistant in both Sydney and Melbourne. She enjoyed the creative side of both cities. The UWA degree was highly regarded as it was the only university in WA at that time. In Melbourne, Carmen and her friends were the founding thirteen of the Women’s Electoral Lobby. The status of women and women’s issues were not really on the radar in the lead up to the 1972 Federal Election.&#13;
05:44	When her son David was born, she returned to Perth so that she could continue to work with the support of family and friends. Child-care was virtually non-existent. Back in Perth she lectured and tutored part-time at UWA and WAIT (now Curtin) from 1973-1978. In 1979, she enrolled for a PhD part-time at UWA and a little later got a job as lecturer in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioural Science in the Faculty of Medicine based at QEII Hospital for four years. Her PhD topic was Infant Crying and Material Responsiveness using statistical modelling in co operation with UWA mathematician Terry Speed.&#13;
11:15	She was invited to go and work in the Research and Evaluation Unit of the Psychiatric Services Branch of the Department of Health and researched the effects of alcohol in pregnancy and anesthetic on the cognitive functions of the elderly. She was here for three years (1983-1986). &#13;
13:30	She had been involved in the Labor Party and in 1983 stood for election in an unwinnable seat. In 1986, she was asked to represent the seat of Subiaco. This was a way to influence policy from the inside. There were many issues in the seat of Subiaco such as saving Bold Park bushland and traffic calming in Wembley. She sat on the Child Sexual Abuse Taskforce and was also on a committee that examined anti-discrimination legislation. The psychology degree was useful in knowing where and how to do research. There were more women in politics since the 1983 election especially on the Labor side.&#13;
19:28	In 1990, she took over from Peter Dowding when he resigned as Premier. She had been Education Minister for 2 years. It was a challenging time for education. She was Minister for Aboriginal Affairs in 1989. She was treated quite well as a female Premier. There was media stereotyping but it was not as trivial as today with social media being so rife. As Education Minister she attended several graduation ceremonies at UWA. As Premier she recalled visiting UWA and being photographed with the Duke of Edinburgh outside Winthrop Hall. There were several ex UWA people involved in the political sphere at that stage. &#13;
24:40	Issues in the 1990s included traffic and public transport. Labor expanded the railway network. There was some city planning and moves to stop the urban sprawl. Mining was in the doldrums. As Education Minister she chaired a review of the Dawkins Report and recommended a single graduate school. In 1993 she was leader of the opposition and then became the Federal member for Fremantle (1994-2007) and offered a position in Cabinet. &#13;
29:36	As Health Minister she had a strong interest in indigenous health. Advisers were generally bureaucrats. Policy advice generally came from the public sector. Terry Moran in today’s Financial Review comments that “Parliament House has been populated by “teenage political advisors” who know very little, if anything, about governing and policy making”. &#13;
32:27	In 2008, she contacted UWA. Alan Robson was receptive to the idea for a Centre for the Study of Social Change. Initially it was located in the Institute of Advanced Studies and then as part of the School of Psychology. UWA has changed since the 1960s and 70s. The focus is on academic performance through producing research papers. The students don’t seem as independent. Some of them are very politically aware but there is more emphasis on the end result of the degree leading to employment rather than for intellectual curiosity. &#13;
41:56	The big change in teaching is the recording of lectures. Many students no longer attend the lectures. Senior staff engages in less hands-on teaching. The teaching and learning environment is not emphasised enough. The social side of life as a staff member is not as inclusive as it was. Postgraduate students do a practical element but there are too many undergraduate students to be given supervised practical work. In 3rd year she teaches how Psychology can be applied to contemporary problems.&#13;
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00:00	Arnold Lee was born in the UK in 1973. Family migrated from Liverpool to Forrestfield, WA in 1976. Government school education. Did TEE in 1991 and was accepted into UWA to study for a Bachelor of Science in 1991. The Bachelor of Science was split between human movement and psychology&#13;
01:22	Zoology was still near Kings Park. There were cows in the back paddock near human movement. The old pharmacology building was still in use as was chemistry. The Guild extension hadn’t been built so the amphitheatre was still there. The Riley Oval next to Arts was a full sized rugby oval. The newest buildings on campus would have been the Sanders Building, the GP3 (General Purpose Building 3). Architecture had just got its dedicated building on the south west corner having been in demountable buildings for many years. Halfway through Arnold’s first year architecture was moved to the Nedlands campus and Computer Sciences moved into that building.&#13;
02:49	Arnold moved all over the campus. First year lectures would be held in the Octagon Theatre or one of the Arts lecture theatres or the Physics Building. All the Human Movement labs were at the tail end of the campus near Pelican Point.&#13;
03:30	Arnold was catching the bus from Forrestfield. To make an 8am maths lecture he had to catch the bus at 6.30am. He also rode his bike 35kms there and back.&#13;
04:20	He spent many hours in the Reid coffee shop. People from all faculties gathered here. The clubs and societies and faculty societies were very active. He spent time in the Arts common room. He spent time on the Oak lawn or the Guild precinct. There were free Tuesday lunchtime movies. There were bands. Fridays were spent down at the tavern. &#13;
06:03	Three other people from his school made it into UWA. He only saw one of them from time to time and had to make new friends. It was very prestigious to have come from Forrestfield high school and go to UWA. First year Psychology had over 700 enrolment and human movement attracted sporty types, so he didn’t feel “out of it”.&#13;
08:15	Arnold did not need any help from the Guild. He just went there to the Refectory and to play pin ball. It was all pervasive but was very much in the background. The Manics was the largest club on campus. Camp Kids was still around. Clubs like Solid Gold and Leisure didn’t exist.&#13;
09:35	Student politics was very interesting. Bruce Baskerville (1991) was the first openly gay Guild President. Deirdre Willmont was President before him (1984). The Voluntary Students Union push was on. There were competing factions for the student hearts and minds. Different factions published their own newsletters independent of the Pelican. People were very vocal.&#13;
12:05	There were student protests. There was a march to Parliament House over the VSU when the Bill was passed. Arnold was also present at Parliament House when it was repealed.&#13;
13:00	The students were involved in the Third Wave protests over the change in industrial relations brought about by Richard Court and Graham Kierath. He recalled the Workers’ Embassy being put up at Parliament House by the CMFEU.&#13;
13:26	The Guild was located in the Guild Hall which was located opposite Matilda Bay. The new extensions were being built in 1993. They moved in during 1995 and out in 1997 when VSU caused them money issues and the university bought the building off them.&#13;
14:19	He took part in PROSH and directed it during the 1990s. The charities vary from year to year. They prefer to donate to smaller local charities. In the 1990s they raised $20-$30,000. Arnold recalled $15,000 was donated to Shenton Park Rehabilitation Hospital. Other donations went to Legacy and the Royal Flying Doctor Service. PROSH is now raising around $150,000 and giving grants of around $20,000 to a range of charities. It is bigger and better organised now. PROSH started in 1931.&#13;
16:52	When Arnold finished his degree he worked a variety of jobs. He did not want to become a psychologist. He worked as a roadie, a theatre technician, did sale and worked at a warehouse. He had worked for university theatres when he was a student. In those days the Festival and the Festival Club was on campus.&#13;
19:46	&#13;
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00:00	Arnold left UWA in 1995 and came to work for the Guild in 1999 as a Projects Officer. He wanted some regular work. He was hired by the director of student services, Delphine McFarlane. The Guild President was Emmanuel Hondros. They wanted a researcher and report writer. It was an open ended job. He had to look at the impacts of VSU and work on its repeal. It grew as the Guild expanded.&#13;
02:00	The Guild was doing it tough financially and had to lift their profile and be relevant to the student body. Membership was now voluntary. It dropped to 23% at its lowest point. They had to become more professional.&#13;
03:50	The Guild in WA is different because the guilds are part of the University Act. In other states the student bodies are not. It has always been integrated into the life at the university – representation, activities, welfare and services. In the 1990s the welfare was at the forefront due to the economic downturn. In early 2000 the focus was more about activities on campus.&#13;
06:33	Sir Winthrop Hackett saw the University as having 3 pillars – the university (administration and academics); the student body and the alumni. All have a say and a stake in the direction of the university. The Guild and the university administration have a fairly positive relationship.&#13;
08:40	When VUS came in, the Guild was able to go to the university and ask for help and get it. The Guild had a big input into the new course structure.&#13;
09:48	&#13;
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Track 4	&#13;
00:00	The Guild evolves to meet different needs. The Projects Officer worked closely with the Guild President. The president had to evolve and adapt as well. The Guild adopted the RAWS model (Representation; Activities; Welfare and Services). The Guild President sits on the Senate, he and some Guild Councillors sit on the Academic Board; different Council members sat on various university committees. &#13;
01:46	Professional Guild staff did advocacy work on behalf of the student body e.g. academic appeal, ensuring that activities met local council regulations and/or insurance regulations. The Guild staff became a very professional outfit.&#13;
02:43	The Project Officer role included a bit of everything. For example activities including helping to organise events such as O-Day but also to assist clubs and societies and to advise them and help with liquor licensing etc.&#13;
03:28	Guild finance also took on club banking. Marketing became both a source of income and a way to seek sponsorship and to promote the Guild and the university. It was the Guild who ran the marketing behind the recycling programme at UWA. The Guild is the conduit between other bodies and the student body.&#13;
04:52	People have always complained about Guild catering. Bob Hawke commented that it had also been the case when he was President in 1952. It’s never cheap enough or good enough.&#13;
05:56	Welfare includes emergency loans or advocacy or personal crisis counselling. The Guild shaped itself to include all these areas. There was some training but it was adapt or die. You never stopped. There were always projects. Often people were too busy for training.&#13;
07:42	It was meant to be a 9 to 5 job but sometimes it involved a 60 hour week. You had to love the job to do it.&#13;
08:30	The Guild was always full of students. In some universities they are not encourage to come in and talk to the Guild staff. They were not shut away behind partitions or locked doors. Staff constantly involved with the students. The students felt it was their organisation. Staff there to advise not to dictate.&#13;
10:39	The Guild had paid staff. The President received some payment but they had to sit on about 24 Committees as well as internal Guild committees. The President essentially was the CEO of a $40 million business with 200 staff (including catering). &#13;
12:12	The term for the Guild President was one year only. The whole Guild Council changed each year. The ideology of the Guild Council might therefore change from year to year. One year outside catering was brought in. Guild Council elected to get a new building contractor mid-way through the project which cost them money. &#13;
14:13	&#13;
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Track 5	&#13;
00:00	Emmanuel Hondros was Guild President in 1999 when Arnold started working there. All the Guild Presidents are hard-working and got very run down. A new President is elected on 1 December.&#13;
01:30	Kristy Duckham (2001) was the first female president since Deirdre Willmont in 1984. (There was JA Quinlivan in 1987) but then a run of males until Sarah Haynes and Natalie Curling in 1994 and 1995. Then Rosie Dawkins in 1998. Then there was a run of female presidents - Myra Robinson in 2003 and Susie Byers in 2004 and Natalie Hepburn in 2005.&#13;
01:57	Ryan Batchelor (2002) came across from Victoria. He worked for Alan Carpenter and then Jenny Macklin. He helped Julia Gillard with the Disability Support Scheme. &#13;
03:11	Roland Nattrass was never President but did every other office bearing role in the Guild.&#13;
03:40	Tim Huggins (2000) now works for DFAT. He was from Geelong Grammar.&#13;
04:10	Emma Greeney (2010) was Arnold’s last president and was very hard working as was David de Hoog in 2007. He was from a different political alignment. Matthew Chuk (2006) had a distinctive monobrow.&#13;
05:11	There was education, societies, public affairs subsidiary councils which meant that a diverse range of people were involved with the Guild. Darryl S Tan was Guild Vice President and has a sundeck named after him (which is the back roof).&#13;
06:16	Liz Brogan, Giovanni Torre (now media advisor for Senator Scott Ludlum). Mick Palassis was Guild Treasurer. There are too many people to mention. They took on a great responsibility at a very young age.&#13;
07:16	No Council can make a decision that is binding on the one following it. At the moment there is the 100th Guild Council. Even if some people are re-elected, it is viewed as a different Council. The various Guild Presidents even refer to each other by their numbers!&#13;
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Track 6	&#13;
00:00	&#13;
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Interview 2&#13;
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Track 1	&#13;
00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
00:31	&#13;
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Track 2	&#13;
00:00	The role of the Projects Officer – starting up new projects or assisting with existing ones. Supported student projects with different visions from year to year. Different legislation and outside factors meant that events were different each year.&#13;
01:31	Professional staff had the corporate knowledge to ensure continuity. Turnover of Guild Council on an annual basis. Turnover of undergraduates every 3-5 years.&#13;
02:24	Regular events occurred throughout the academic year of 2 x 13 week semesters. Even during the summer break the Guild are gearing up for the following academic year.&#13;
03:35	Structured calendar. Enrolment takes place at the beginning of the year followed by orientation and then exams.&#13;
04:11	Every year there is a new intake of students. Arnold was part of the Orientation Working Group bringing together groups from all over the university to make sure that the new intake went off well. The Guild was enmeshed in this process which is unique. The aim of the Orientation Group was to settle in new students be they school leavers, international students, mature aged students or post graduate students. &#13;
06:04	It is that very collegial and community mind that makes UWA very different.&#13;
06:10	The Guild had the enrolment process down to 8 or 9 steps. The Guild had the responsibility of guiding students through these steps – letter of offer; student advice; unit selections through to student card, university systems, and tutorials. Guild membership was part of this process. This didn’t happen anywhere else.&#13;
07:34	UW and the Guild worked together irrespective of whether Guild membership was voluntary or not. Despite differences of philosophy from time to time, both the Guild and the university wanted to make the student experience a positive one.&#13;
08:20	Orientation followed enrolment. UWA orientation programme aimed to give students a good overview of the university. It was not a PR talk. It was recognised that people needed to feel at home and to feel ownership of the campus. This was worked out with UWA student services. Directors of Student Services included Jane den Hollander and Jon Stubbs who recognised the role of the Guild in student orientation.&#13;
09:54	Arnold developed Faculty specific talks. Students would get a mentor or student guide to walk them around campus and point know all the important landmarks. Even simple things like where the toilets are. This enabled first years to hit the ground running when they started their classes.&#13;
10:45	One international student only used one set of toilets as those were the only ones they knew and were too embarrassed to ask where others might be.&#13;
11:25	Orientation was followed by O-day which was an introduction to the university community and social life. O-day became bigger and bigger. This was due to the work that Guild staff did behind the scenes. They worked with the university to make it special. They integrated with the Commencement Ceremony where the Vice Chancellor and the Guild President would officially welcome people.&#13;
12:22	The O-Day field day was on James Oval. There was representation from social and student clubs, community groups and business who wanted to pitch to the student market. It grew from 90 stalls to about 186 stalls.&#13;
13:10	It was indicative of what life at UWA was like. There was a club for everyone. There were student clubs and Faculty Clubs. If there wasn’t a club, the Guild would help start it up.&#13;
14:14	O-day was in the planning for 3 months before the event. They had to get Council approvals, licensing issues, booking bands, plotting out where the stalls would go; organising the contractors; the power requirements. &#13;
15:06	O-day was on a Friday and there would be a cricket match on the Saturday so they had to ensure the ground was pristine.&#13;
15:36	Waste disposal was another aspect. 3-4 huge skip bins would be filled. Also hydration of the crowd and sun screen.&#13;
16:15	A lot of people were coming back to campus so the Guild student centre and membership was running flat out. The membership packs had to be pre-packed. It was there ready and waiting.&#13;
17:17	Catering took a bit hit from the amount of people involved – 10,000-15,000 in the same place for a 5-6 hour period.&#13;
17:52	Guild finance was in full swing to ensure all the clubs banking was ship shape and that there were floats and proper accounting procedures. &#13;
18:34	The professionalism of the Guild staff enabled the event to run well. Alex Marshall, Rohan Murray and now Jonathon Zahra were Activities Officers. The bigger it was, the bigger the expectation for next year.&#13;
19:30	The finance people, Henry Dudek and Darryl Sanders would come in at 5am just to make sure that everything was ready to go.&#13;
19:53	The membership department (Ben Hammond, Sarah Ghiradi, Adriana Begovich, Jake Spinner, Anna Murzyn, Alex Pond) ensured that the membership pack was ready and that the Guild message was being circulated through publications, the website, publicity etc. &#13;
20:40	The Student Centre Staff under Gina Barron were also flat out.&#13;
20:53	Arnold’s role was to liaise with all the different departments, keep them communicating and help out where possible. IT, stands, food, etc. etc.&#13;
22:24	James Oval was the only space big enough and it leaked out from here into the Guild courtyard and the Oak Lawn. 186 stalls was full capacity. There is no other large space to hold O-Day. Arnold’s O-Day in 1999 was held on the Oak Lawn. &#13;
23:24	The O-Day concert also is a big thing. Groove Terminator attracted 4,500 people. It was massive.&#13;
23:51	Heat is the biggest issue rather than rain.&#13;
24:17	&#13;
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Track 3	&#13;
00:00	Then it was business as usual. The Guild staff used the RAWS model and Representation, Activities, Welfare and Services would all become part of their ongoing duties throughout the academic year.&#13;
01:01	Students had high level input into various university committees such as the Academic Council, the Academic Board, the Faculty Boards and the Senate. The student input is valued and indicative of the good working relationship between the university and the Guild. This is a huge responsibility for those students.&#13;
02:29	The Activities is the visual side of things such as theme weeks. Fringe Festival (Public Affairs Council). Enviro Week. Multicultural Week is huge and usually runs in 2nd Semester. It culminates in the Spring Feast. Post-grads would have their own week with seminars and things of interest to them. Public Affairs Council also put on Social Justice Week – refugee rights, indigenous rights etc. There would be a theme week every 2-3 weeks throughout the semester supported by the Guild.&#13;
06:46	The Clubs and Societies also ran social events during the academic year. The Manic Depressive Society was a huge club but petered out. One of the last Toga parties was held on campus during Arnold’s time.&#13;
08:06	PROSH was a large event and was one of Arnold’s babies. It changed massively and the organisation had to become more professional. In 2002, the City of Perth and the police wanted to stop the parade. It is the biggest single tin collecting day in WA. Things go wrong but the Guild is there to help PROSH and also to assist it to adapt and change. The parade is very heavily governed. At one time it was the graduation parade and wound through Kings Park. It is now quite tame in comparison. The route is negotiated from year to year. &#13;
11:17	PROSH has grown now raises upwards of $100,000 a year. The event has to be managed well but allow the students to express themselves.&#13;
12:23	A student left a squid in an aquarium that died and liquefied over a weekend. It was a very unpleasant job for Arnold to do. It was unreasonable in a professional capacity but part and parcel of the job for a Guild professional who has to work with students. &#13;
13:32	The Guild is not involved with student accommodation. Welfare was more about providing advice to students on benefits and to point them towards the university services. The Big Breakfast was a welfare event that was put on 4-8 times during the year. The Guild has to stay relevant and the welfare changes according to student needs. Most students now still live at home.&#13;
16:24	The Cruikshank-Routley Memorial Prize and the Guild Ball is a significant event. The prize is given to the student who has made the biggest contribution to student life and is not based solely on academic achievement. Students are nominated by their peers. The prize is presented at the Guild Ball. &#13;
18:57	There are also prizes for other clubs and Faculty societies. The Matildas are sometimes presented at the Guild Ball. This is a prize presented by Convocation to a student who had made a cultural contribution to campus.&#13;
20:35	The Guild Ball was at the end of the year. End of year celebrations were labelled Disorientation.&#13;
21:00	At examination times, Guild services included extensions and academic appeals, exam appeals. &#13;
21:19	Services also included the book stall ran by Betty Jansen; the Tavern, catering and other odds and sods. &#13;
21:51	For many years the Guild Ball was held in Winthrop Hall. In later years in moved to the Undercroft. Recently it has been held in the Guild Refectory. It is a special night. There would be a keynote speaker such as Janet Holmes à Court (who met her future husband, Robert, on Guild Council) or Harold Clough or Justice Nicholson. Bob Hawkes celebrated 50 years since he was Guild President in 2002. It is a recognition of the history of the Guild at the Guild Ball.&#13;
23:31	At one time, the Guild ran the Excellence in Teaching Awards where students nominated academic staff who excelled. These are now run by the university. When the Guild no longer had the resources to do it, the University picked it up.&#13;
24:28	&#13;
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Track 4	&#13;
00:00	There were a lot of changes in the Guild during the years that Arnold worked there from 1999-2010. The Guild realised that they had to be responsive to student needs. During the VSU it was very challenging but it gave them a way of meeting challenging times. Change was often painful for the Guild and the students but it has made the Guild a very successful organisation and is recognised as such by the students, the academics and the university.&#13;
02:50	It has become better at selling its message. It recognises the importance of its brand and its presence. When Arnold was a student they were in the background and taken for granted.&#13;
03:28	It is also better at getting feedback on their services so that they can respond to student needs.&#13;
03:45	The future will be challenging. The change of Government recently on7 September may bring VSU back on the political agenda. &#13;
04:12	The Guild has the ability to survive if it makes the right decisions. &#13;
04:29	The Guild Council is the representative body and changes every year and can the change the course of the Guild.&#13;
05:12	UWA Student Guild, unlike other campuses, has always had fiercely contested elections. The elections are run properly by the WA Electoral Commission. Despite political ideology, the Guild will survive.&#13;
07:12	The student body campaign just like a State or Federal election. It is run to a very high standard.&#13;
07:42	Decisions of one Council are not binding on the one that succeeds it.&#13;
08:10	The terms are a year because it fits in with the academic year. Guild President is an enrolled unit that does not attract HECS field. The other positions are voluntary. Other Guilds pay people to take positions.&#13;
09:44	The future of the paid staff has always been tenuous. It depends on the decisions of the Guild Council. You don’t work for the Guild unless you love it. You don’t work there for the money!&#13;
10:27	&#13;
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00:00:00	Introduction. David Lindsay NSW background information. Early studies. Gaining the position at University of Western Australia. Farming in Western Australia is not an easy task. Interaction between farmers and scientists. &#13;
00:07:08	Land clearing in 1965-6. Mandate of improving the reproductive rate of sheep. Glut of sheep in Western Australia in 1969. Science and farm problems. Funding. World reputation. Dairy farmer’s boy. Becoming a sheep person. Science has nothing to offer the sheep industry. Changes in attitude. &#13;
00:12:05 University and specialist wool degrees. Funding has diminished. Mining boom in WA. Importance of sheep in the economy of Australia. A dying industry. Recognized for work in the industry.&#13;
00:17:15 Changes in the wool industry. Interactions with people in the industry. Genetics and improvements. Hybrid corn. Improvements in dairy cattle. Plotting wool improvements since the 1940s. Hobby farm. &#13;
00:22:09 Industry hasn’t changed a lot. Reputation of University of Western Australia in the 1960s. Eric Underwood and Reg Moir. Moir’s instructions to Lindsay. In touch with students. Meeting former students. Impressions of Reg Moir. Moir’s influence on students. His exploding sheep. &#13;
00:35:01 Facilities available in the late 1960s. Memories of the south of Myers Street. George Munns gardener. Sheep grazing on the campus grounds. Western Australia a fantastic place for an agricultural scientist to practice work. University of Western Australia was a family thing. Clubs. Women and the era of equality. The wives club. Signing a contract to do a sabbatical. &#13;
00:43:49 Memories and benefits of sabbatical 1973. International relationships resulting from sabbatical. Dominique Blache and Pascal Poindron and the writing of book on Scientific Writing guide. Publications around. &#13;
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00:00:00 Further experiences at the isolated University. Alan Robson. Doing a good job on your own patch. Becoming internationally known, Reproduction in sheep at University of Western Australia more advanced than that known in medical field in humans. Experiments conducted on sheep. Scientific knowledge spans boundaries of other disciplines. Fees and quality of students. Degrees a privilege or a right.&#13;
00:06:27 Graduation and failure rates over the years. Postgraduates and undergraduates and time for thinking. The client or the student. Student attendance at lectures. Technology and the community of learning. &#13;
00:14:24 Thoughts of agriculture department at campus at McGillivray. Giving lectures and presenting information to students. SPOT tests. Popular lecturers. Delivering huge amounts of information. Lecture examples at the University of Glasgow. Reshaping lectures and the facilities available. Advancements in technology and power point and online lectures. The role of a lecturer.&#13;
00:25:16 Success of lectures. Example of Reg Moir and his lecture procedure. Memories of Reg’s teaching technique. Time for thought. Bureaucratising process of the University of Western Australia. Research and communication. Story of Reg Moir’s cow pat. &#13;
00:33:50 Old university and insightful research and achievements. Increasing the fertility of ewes and rams. Survival of lambs. Making a ewe into a mother. Experiments on Oxytocins in the sheep’s brain. Experiments in agriculture department and outcomes for the knowledge of human birthing.&#13;
00:41:01 Story of the escaped steer at University of Western Australia. Cowboys at the showgrounds rustle the steer. &#13;
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00:00:00 Mysterious bones found on the site works for human movement. Terrible burial practices. Arranging disposal of burial of animals at the tip. &#13;
00:04:40 Impressions of God Vice-Chancellors. Alan Robson Vice and Deputy Chancellor. The altering of the management of the university. The Catholic Church and the University still survive. Admissions committee TISC. The success of promotion and advertising of university. Quality of students. Competitive spirit and bidding for students. University of Western Australia's ranking in the Shanghai index.&#13;
00:14:25 University of Western Australia's position within Universities in the state. Amalgamation a great idea. Benefits of amalgamation of Departments of agriculture. Waste of resources for 5 universities in the population of Perth. The international student. Capitalising on the hunger of south East Asia. Intellectual property going overseas and the commercial nature of student intake. &#13;
00:21:15 Agricultural Hall of Fame. Discussion of the fodder shrub Tagasaste. Sir James McCusker. Tree lucerne and Martindale foundation. Experimentation and research into tagasaste. Popularity of tagasaste to cattle. &#13;
00:27:07 Chairing the Lindsay review of the quarantine system. Allowing some kind of control of the system. Fascinating involvements in quarantine. Foot and mouth and other diseases. Poultry and bird control and estimates. Recommendations made. User pays system. Usable system and changes to the system. Reviews to the Lindsay review. Government support. &#13;
00:35:05 Teaching others to write scientific papers. Becoming Dean. Importance of writing to scientists and science. Writing the book a Guide to Scientific Writing. French connection and INRA. Undertaking courses internationally. &#13;
00:40:21 Hugh Hardy and work for the benefit of rural and agricultural industry of WA. Hall of Fame. Tests for agriculture in Western Australia. WA burgeoning agriculturally. Looking back at time at University of Western Australia – linking agriculture to science.&#13;
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00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
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00:00	Born Rosalind Catherine Creese in Hounslow, Middlesex, UK on 27 June 1935. Evacuated to Cardiff for six months during the War. Came home at Christmas 1944. Did 11+ at Gumley House, Isleworth. Started nursing. Did some clerical work. Then decided to learn more about agriculture.&#13;
02:46	Worked on a farm in Hampshire for a year. Then attended Hampshire Farm Institute. Worked on two or three farms doing dairy work and then decided she wanted to travel.&#13;
04:04	Booked a passage on The Southern Cross, which travelled to Sydney via Fremantle. Her mother had a cousin living in Sydney but she had always been intrigued by Australia. &#13;
05:40	She called into the Department of Agriculture and asked for a job in agriculture in Australia. She was sent to see Dr M.C. Franklin who worked with CSIRO and was setting up a meat research laboratory at the University of Sydney farm in Camden. The farm was used by the university veterinary students for their practical work. CSIRO was also setting up various research units into dairying, meat and poultry. Rosalind lived in a hostel that housed the vet students for their 6 months practical.&#13;
07:06	She met her future husband, David Lindsay, who was working as a postgraduate at the sheep research block which was attached to the University of Sydney.&#13;
07:58	She was made very welcome by Dr Franklin who lived with his family in Cobbitty, a little village outside Camden.&#13;
08:31	&#13;
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Track 3	&#13;
00:00	David and Rosalind married on 24 June 1961 at St Paul’s Church in Cobbitty. David had come from a dairy farm at Dapto south of Wollongong. He carried on with his research work and finished his PhD. Their eldest son was born on 1 July 1962.&#13;
02:00	After his PhD had been accepted, the family moved to Pullman, Whitman Country, Washington, USA for a postdoctoral year. They were living there when President Kennedy was shot on 22 November 1963. Their second child, Kate, was born during in December 1963.&#13;
03:13	They returned to Sydney but it was difficult to get funding for animal agricultural research work. There was a problem with the fertility in ewes in Western Australia and David got the job at UWA as his specialist field was reproductive physiology. Professor Robinson who was David’s PhD supervisor was a graduate of the University of Western Australia and a friend of Professor Reg Moir who was not then a Professor but was working in the Animal Science Department with Professor Underwood.&#13;
05:22	They arrived in Perth on 2 January 1967 with three children and were met at the airport by the Moirs and taken to their house for lunch. The airport was very rural! They were booked into the Captain Stirling Hotel for a few days.&#13;
06:12	They found a University house that had been recently vacated at 3 Arras Street. Their furniture was on the way over from the eastern states. They were able to borrow some from people in the Animal Science Department but quite a lot from the Tuart Club Newcomers Store. It was a simple house that was built just after the Second World War. {Arras Street had been subsumed by Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital but it ran off Monash Avenue just before Hospital Avenue} Similar houses still exist in Parkway. The University also bought some private houses as temporary housing for overseas and interstate staff in the late 1970s.&#13;
09:14	The housing was provided for a year to give people a start. The Lindsay’s moved to Broadway, Nedlands in order to be close to the University and so that David could ride his bicycle to work. They moved to Shenton Park in 1974.&#13;
10:10	The Tuart Club also had monthly meetings and a Newcomers Club that did informal activities. Having young children, Rosalind could not always attend these evening activities. They also held activities in the day time such as coffee mornings and things at weekends that would involve the whole family. &#13;
11:13	The Lindsays and their children made friends with the families that lived in houses that backed onto their garden in Arras Street. The children went to the University kindergarten run by Dr Little and later to Nedlands Primary School.&#13;
12:48	&#13;
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Track 4	&#13;
00:00	Rosalind did visit David at work. In fact, wives were encouraged to be interested in their husband’s work. The Series Club was a social club for the Animal Science staff and their wives. They had dinner parties at each other’s houses and arranged social events.&#13;
02:03	When they took the 4th year students on a farm tour it meant the staff already knew each other. There was a strong link between the University of Western Australia and the Western Australian farming community. It was a better relationship than that in New South Wales.&#13;
04:04	The University of Western Australia staff in Agriculture would often be up early and work late due to their type of work. &#13;
04:54	The Music Department were also very active in the community. Then the Festival of Perth became the University of Western Australia outreach. Rosalind thinks that the people of Perth feel some ownership of the University which was not the case in Sydney.&#13;
06:09	The Tuart Club had started before World War II. They had an Open House at one of the houses in Dalkeith each year. The Club made sure that every newcomer felt welcome and what services were available. In the days before Google their expertise was invaluable to new people.&#13;
07:53	There was also a welcome party that was held on behalf of the Vice Chancellor. It was held in February or March and people who had arrived in the last 6 months were invited. It was generally a cocktail party that would be held in the Sunken Garden.&#13;
08:33	Gradually the population was changing. More women were working and wives of the Vice Chancellors had ideas to do things differently. &#13;
08:56	The good thing about the cocktail party was that you would meet new people from all over the University.&#13;
10:07	&#13;
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Track 5	&#13;
00:00	If you were interested you soon found yourself part of the Newcomers Committee. Rosalind became involved with the Newcomers Store. It was open one day a week but she also had the key so she could assist new arrivals on an ad hoc basis.&#13;
01:20	They also had Newcomers Coffee Mornings. There was a book group. They met in the Child Study Centre and at each other’s houses. There was a rule not to “out-cake” the last hostess!&#13;
02:47	There was a Wildflower Group. They would visit Kings Park and local native gardens from March to October. They would also have more far-flung excursions.&#13;
03:38	The monthly meetings offered an interesting speaker, such as Jeremy Green from the WA Museum who spoke about Dutch shipwrecks. The meetings would be held on campus in different faculty lecture theatres.&#13;
04:22	The interest groups would report what had happened during the year at the AGM. &#13;
05:36	In the early sixties it was suggested that a charity event be held rather than just social activities. Miriam Cooper was one of the early people behind this idea. They didn’t have a book sale at first. They started off a Save the Children Interest Group and sewed pyjamas to donate or other goods. They had concerts to raise money. Also a brass rubbing display.&#13;
07:12	Study leave was an important part of university life and academics were encouraged to go overseas every 7 years in order to bring back fresh ideas. The Lindsay’s went to France to their equivalent of CSIRO.&#13;
09:58	Going overseas also helped to revitalise the Tuart Club. The brass rubbings were an example of this.&#13;
10:46	There was also a painting exhibition.&#13;
11:06	Books were suggested as something else that could be sold to generate money as well as cakes. It took off. The first store was in Waratah Avenue.&#13;
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Interview 2&#13;
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00:00	Rosalind was involved in the Save the Children Book Sale after the 1970s but used to drop books off before that to the garage at the back of a house in Bruce Street owned by the Edmonds family where they would be sorted and stored. Dr Edmonds was part of the medical faculty. His family have been involved since that time.&#13;
01:10	Due to the oversupply of books, the University was approached and agreed to offer a University owned house in Myers Street which was to be demolished at some stage.&#13;
01:47	The University made available the grounds truck for moving books from storage to the sale at the Undercroft.&#13;
02:27	Appeals for books were made around the campus, Uni News, the local press and sometimes in The West Australian. &#13;
03:10	The sorting was done between Christmas and the book sale in July at that stage. After the book sale was over not many books were received. People were tired and gearing up for the holiday season. Also, the South of the River branch of Save the Children had a book sale associated with Murdoch and Curtin Universities after the University of Western Australia sale and they didn’t want to take books that should be going to that sale.&#13;
04:04	People who came to the book sale would tell their friends and their friends would offer books. The university switchboard would field these calls for them and tell them the dates of the book sale. Books would be piled up outside the door as the sorting place was not manned all week.&#13;
05:18	Soon they needed more room and the university offered the use of the back of Shenton House. Then they moved to one of the university houses in Arras Street. It had a protected veranda and reasonable access.&#13;
06:12	The University was very generous in assisting with the Save the Children Book Sale. Perhaps they thought it was good PR? They assisted with housing the books and with little things that cropped up along the way. Later on, they allowed a banner to be erected at the front of the campus at the Stirling Highway intersection with Winthrop Avenue. The theatres administration took responsibility for the bookings on campus and the staff their assisted as well. The theatre staff assisted with ensuring that there was Public Liability Insurance.&#13;
07:57	The book sale had been held at the Undercroft for many years. At first it was a stall in Waratah Avenue and St Catherine’s College but this space was not large enough.&#13;
08:38	The book sale is well and truly part of the university calendar but permission is requested to hold the book sale each year. The sale was in July when the university operated under terms. With semesters, the book sale moved to August. It is a date that does not interfere with the university exams. &#13;
10:35	Chess Removals have been helping for quite some time with the set up for no charge. &#13;
11:33	There is a plan of what books go where. It has altered a bit over the years to reflect changing times but they try not to change things too much as regular attendees like to go to where they think their particular stand will be located. It also makes it easier for the helpers if things don’t change too much. The Australiana collectors tend to get there on the first night and those books sell very quickly.&#13;
12:19	There is a team of people who set up. If the sale opens on Friday evening, things are being brought across on Wednesday afternoon. Signs are put up on Thursday morning and a team of people bring the books in on Thursday afternoon. The remainder of the books are brought in on Friday. They are normally all unpacked by Friday lunchtime.&#13;
13:13	In earlier years, graduate students were paid as labour at the Depot. The team needs to be strong and prepared to work hard. Trolleys can be used in the Undercroft. The books are now stored at the corner of Underwood Avenue and Brockway in Floreat. At one stage the books were stored in the old Zoology Department near St Georges College. Every box of books is marked with their category.&#13;
14:57	Recently students have been volunteering to help as this gets accredited on their student record for community work. In 2013 people from the University Camp for Kids helped. They were given a donation. Somebody on the SCF Committee has made it their job to liaise with the students and have a stall on Orientation Day.&#13;
16:34	Rosalind liaised with the post graduate volunteers for several years. Notices were put up around campus and at the Guild seeking help. A list of interested people would be made and be handed to the Convenor. It worked very well. It was a sort of quid pro quo for all the assistance given by UWA.&#13;
17:41	At the depot, donated books are unpacked and sorted quickly. Books that cannot be sold are recycled. The books are then boxed to be categorised by the volunteers. As well as Australiana and Western Australian interest, there are hardback and paperback fiction, biography and speciality subjects. There are a lot of researchers who attend the sale to pick up books about Western Australia.&#13;
19:56	They try to make sure the books are all in good order as there is not enough room. Third copies that aren’t in such good condition may be sold for less money around the metro area.&#13;
20:45	Some people who are specialists in their field help to categorise the books and decide whether they should even be in the sale. Some of the Committee have become knowledgeable over the years and have used catalogues from second hand book dealers to increase their knowledge.&#13;
22:18	The book are priced and packed into boxes. They are now using Baxter boxes that are used by the hospitals. Previous to this wine cartons were used! The boxes mustn’t be over filled for health and safety reasons. They must be not more than 15 kg.&#13;
22:43	Towards the end of the sale boxes are books are sold.&#13;
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00:00	Pricing is crucial which is where the specialist marking is essential to not undervalue or overvalue. Car manuals can be very valuable even if they might not be in such good condition.&#13;
02:46	Sometimes new people work with a specialist to increase their knowledge. In the early days, Mrs Trish Benwell and Cath Prider used to price the Australiana and Western Australia books. They got quite competitive! They studied catalogues and visited book shops around town to increase their knowledge.&#13;
03:44	It was soon realised that they needed other categories. Sometimes a category is subdivided such as Hobbies into Embroidery and Carpentry. Similarly with languages.&#13;
04:52	Some people on the committee have made dividers for the table and table ends to keep the books tidy. If it is well organised people don’t feel so overwhelmed by the amount of books and leave.&#13;
06:19	The university has decreed that only a certain number of people can be in the Undercroft so there is a crowd control person and people have to queue too, only so many are allowed in at a time. Similarly only so many trestle tables are allowed inside the space so that there is enough room to move and browse either side of the aisle.&#13;
07:44	Managing the queues at the cash desks is also a fine art. Plastic fencing is used to keep the queue visible and tidy. There are a lot of people whose job is to add up the boxes and give people a docket to take to the cashier which is more efficient. People pay by cash or by EFTPOS. A power cut would be a disaster if the EFTPOS machines wouldn’t work as people expect to be able to pay this way.&#13;
09:47	Personal cheques are not encouraged as there have been cases where cheques have bounced. With EFTPOS people get a receipt. Some people also want to have a hand written receipt for tax purposes.&#13;
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00:00	The books are priced in pencil on the inside cover. Paperback fiction is priced at a third of the retail price, say approx. $6 if it looks new. It is harder to adhere to this rule with the downturn in the book shop market and the advent of pop-up bookshops. Another concern is the advent of Kindles and iPads which enable the use of e-books.&#13;
03:07	Paperback fiction is never priced too high. Reference books need more specialist knowledge as to whether they are set books or not. &#13;
03:58	There is a section of rare and valuable or old and valuable books which usually sell out first. It is important for people to have complete sets of books. Their knowledge is priceless for the running of the book sale. Surplus paperback fiction can be placed on this table as these books are normally sold out by Sunday lunchtime.&#13;
05:08	The sale is carefully monitored for people who might be trying to alter the price or do something dodgy. If a book is priced into double figures it is best to have that price written in words and numerals (i.e. $10 ten dollars).&#13;
06:07	There is no cross-referencing system of the pricing such as a typed catalogue of the books on sale. This might be done for some categories in the future. Rosalind does make a note in her notebook of unusual items that come in and what price they are sold for.&#13;
07:07	Some books come into the sale every year such as A Fortunate Life which is very popular. Unusual books or ground-breaking books retain their value.&#13;
08:13	To do a guide list or catalogue would be a huge job but this might happen if more books are sold online. Save the Children Australia would like to do this. This might widen the book sale audience to the whole of Western Australia.&#13;
10:53	People enjoy coming to the book sale as they enjoy visiting the UWA campus. It has become a tradition. Coffee is available during the week at the Hackett Hall Café. A recent innovation within the last 15 years has been the tent set up by a northern suburbs scout group who sell sausages and beverages at the weekend during the book sale. This has added to the atmosphere. The book sale volunteers also use this service.&#13;
14:12	When the book sale started it wasn’t over as many days. (In fact in 1970 it was over 2 days). Opening on a Friday night has been very popular.&#13;
15:00	There is a special category of children’s books which are very carefully sorted into age group. There are priced realistically.&#13;
15:55	Only magazines are priced at 50 cents each as it is too difficult to cope with the change so most of the books are priced in whole dollars.&#13;
17:10	Half price day is on Tuesday. On Wednesday (the final day) there is a special offer of so much for a box of books. It is preferable to clear the stock rather than have to take boxes of books back to the depot.&#13;
18:10	In the future they may be a special day or time set aside for a children’s book sale. The main problem is space. The consensus now is to make do and things that can’t be fitted into the space must be sold elsewhere. &#13;
19:07	They receive a lot of ephemera such as theatre programmes. These are difficult to price, display and sell so much of this is taken to specialist book fairs in the Perth metro.&#13;
20:36	One or two members sell books at a stall at the Hyde Park Festival. These are generally books that they have an oversupply of. &#13;
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00:00	Publicity is not an easy task. There is internal publicity within UWA. Posters are also sent to the local libraries and dropped off at the State Library. They are sent to the local papers. There are also paid advertisements sent to some publications to ensure that something is advertised with all the days and times.&#13;
03:30	Visiting celebrities such as Amanda Muggleton have been photographed to advertise the sale while promoting their own show.&#13;
04:03	For 5-6 years, the ABC has broadcast live from the book sale on Saturday morning. They talk about it in the week leading up to it. Even before this, Peter Holland would promote it on the afternoon session. &#13;
05:53	They try to have a Publicity Officer as this is such an important aspect to the success of the book sale. It is a skill. Using the internet has become an important aspect today. There have to be public interest stories to capture the imagination.&#13;
06:54	People who drop off books are given notices to take away to promote the sale. The artwork for the leaflets used to be done by Kyra Edmonds’ granddaughter. Cara’s daughter Margaret Setchell and her husband Paul have been supporters and or office bearers over the years.&#13;
08:23	There is a SCF Committee with a President, Vice President, Treasurer, Secretary and general committee members. Not everyone on the committee all the time would be totally hands-on with the sale. &#13;
10:37	Save the Children has a manual which the WA branch has adopted by degrees that covers advice on volunteers. Prior to that much of their business was based on the constitution for the Tuart Club which gave guidelines for the AGM, the auditing etc.&#13;
11:28	There was an exercise book where procedures and tips on running the book sale were written down. This has now been typed up. After the sale there is a debriefing session. At this time the Secretary will ask the University if the event can be run again next year and sends out thank you letters. &#13;
13:51	There are not formal elections but there is an election and people are asked if they are prepared to stand and new people are nominated to vacant positions. They don’t have a competition for committee places which would entail a ballot. &#13;
15:02	Forward planning is considered. Sometimes it is necessary for long-term people to step down from the committee in order to encourage new people to join. &#13;
16:00	Not everyone can sort books as the dust is troublesome to their health but there are many other roles.&#13;
16:44	Committee members are successfully encouraged to join through advertising in Uniview. They encourage people to come to a meeting to see what goes on and meet people. Sometimes people offer to help at the book sale. 4 or 5 meetings are held each year to plan the book sale on top of the AGM meeting. The meetings are usually held on Tuesday lunchtime at the book house.&#13;
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00:00	People who have been involved in the Save the Children Fund book sale over the years.&#13;
06:33	The booklet written by Sue Graham-Taylor needs updating now. The archives are in a cupboard at the book house. They have been sorted and listed by archivist Wendy Robertson. They probably need to be moved to the UWA campus.&#13;
07:59	The money raised by the book sale is given by cheque to head office. For many years they were allowed to nominate projects with which they would like to be associated. Between 1/4 and 1/3 of the money raised is spent in Australia. There are many projects happening in Western Australia.&#13;
09:54	Members are welcome to visit SCF projects. The Australian SCF groups now tend to support the Pacific Rim countries rather than Europe. One or two members have been to Lao PDR. &#13;
11:40	SCF ran Out of School Care at Lockridge&#13;
13:11	There is another project running at Armadale. There have been visits organised to see the work here where new arrivals are cared for while the mothers can learn English. A small group are taken shopping to help with living in a community. There are a lot of projects in the Kimberley or other remote places in WA.&#13;
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00:00:00 Paul James Lloyd born in Shropshire. Coming to Australia 1971 and schooling. Hopes to study architecture and accounting. Degree choices, career paths. Commerce degree. Impressions of University of Western Australia. Save the Children Book Sale. Bursar at Thomas More. Stepping it another world. Impressions of University of Western Australia and Murdoch University. &#13;
00:05:50 Thoughts of Murdoch University. Thoughts of degree choice. Memories of coming to University of Western Australia. Enrolment process of the 1980s. Orientation process and classes. Finding your way through UWA. &#13;
00:09:35 Initial transition and shock. Preparation, students and academic work, doing work and the experience. Academic qualifications and motivating self. Community of University of Western Australia. Students and lectures. Connection to tutors and staff – lecturers as people. Staff and clients today. Delusion of students as a client. Marking and performance measures. &#13;
00:15:55 More concerned with the individual. Thoughts of a developing career. Part-time Masters study. And part-time tutoring. Ongoing job at University of Western Australia. Direction of career. Different process for employment of academics. Tutoring and lecturing. University is a place for a career. Comparing work in the corporate world. &#13;
00:22:45 Thoughts of student and employee at University of Western Australia. Memories of the university in the 1990s. Hierarchical system. The benign hierarchy and the god professor system. Knowing your place at the university. &#13;
00:29:20 Not meant to speak. Understanding by example. The social benefits of the university. A 9-5 place. Being a student was a full time job. Expectation to be around the place. Comparison to the student of today. Part-time work. Interaction with the tutor and students. &#13;
00:34:20 Treasurer of University House. Memories of University House. The University House committee. The bar and menu. Comments Complaints book. Social interactions. Interfaculty relations encouraged. Bar manager goes to gaol. &#13;
00:40:55 Inter-faculty relations. The warring factions. A unified whole portrayed to the community. Faculty interactions and faculty meetings. Self-serving faculties. &#13;
00:47:06 The reputation of the University. Pride in traditionalism. Curtin, Murdoch and the real university. Needs of the struggling student and the survival of the fittest. Competing with other universities. Not as easy for the successful self-motivated students to distinguish themselves.&#13;
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00:00:00 Moving into the role of lecturer and views of the student of the 1990s. Attracting less-motivated students. Lower achievers in the range. Changes in assessing and teaching. Building students up from the basics. Lower entry scores, student quality drop. The question of money. Fees and home circumstances affecting the students. Incurring a debt. Getting the degree as fast as possible. Students self-funding. Different units and different HECS debts. &#13;
00:06:20 Changes to the business school. The trans-Atlantic name. Small management subject. Much smaller structure. Dean elected by the faculty. Drifting into a managerial approach. Grouping faculties. Grouped with law and education. Changes to the election system and the structures merge. Paul McLeod*. Moving toward a larger model. &#13;
00:10:50 Buildings and infrastructure. Design by P&amp;O. Explanation of the buildings. The change to the management authority, immediacy of interaction between staff and students. Security. Working from home. The loss of the community. University meetings conducted at the morning tea. &#13;
00:15:30 The management of the University. Boards and committees. Changes and the Learning and Teaching Committee. Faculty board. Board of Studies and Academic Council. Changes and decisions made well in advance. Talking with some meaningful outcome. Leadership and Vice Chancellor Smith. Fay Gale. Faculty did not have an easy relationship with Fay Gale. Restructure and merger. Opposing the Vice Chancellery. Success of the Faculty in opposing change. Dept VC Roy Lourens. Bob Wood’s impression of Samson. Dissolving structure. &#13;
00:20:55 Bob Wood has a difficult relationship with accounting and finance. Setting of course materials, salary loading and market demand. A great deal of tension in University centrally. Allan Robson dvc and VC. Schreuder*. Allan Robson instigates new structure. People broadly happy. Decisions without Faculty interaction. Layers of bureaucracy – academics have less input. Larger bureaucracy and government reporting. &#13;
00:24:43 Allan Robson and the modern movement of the University. Predecessor did not change things the same way. Paul Johnson and his direction. University’s financial approach. Serving on Academic Board. Elected member. The system of the voting and decision-making on the academic board. Academic Council more operational. Elected to board and within the board. Interest in policy making and nominating. &#13;
00:30:37 Experiences of initiatives at the Business School. Name change. Ken Robertson. Perceptions of the school. Paul McLeod and the new building. Old perceptions of the front door and the sheep pens. Renovations and locations for the new school. Tracey Haughton*. Concerns about the design. Restructuring of Faculty. The Graduate School of Management &amp; School of Economics and Commerce. &#13;
00:37:40 First time for the restructure happening from within. New course structure. Postgraduate offerings and future initiatives. Rewriting the MBA rules. Slow evolutionary system. Overall University structure. Structures of the BCom. &#13;
00:43:27 Personal ability to do academic work. Tutor and lecturer and administration. Course structures and assessing learning directives. Lecturers and extra duties. Growth in administrative responsibility. Interactions and specific individual skills. Formal performance measures. Accountability. &#13;
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00:00:00 Ideas of internationalisation of University of Western Australia. The change of emphasis. Contacts with polytechnics in Singapore. Working harder to maintain 20% of international students. Full time international negotiators employed. Reason for changes. Expense associated with studying in Australia. Projections of the University ranking. In the Group of 8. &#13;
00:04:32 Paul Johnson* and the international standing. The success of the response to change. Technology and online courses. Stanford University and interaction. Lectures online. Gradual evolution, Second Life and online word. Virtual university. The University experience about more than just a degree. Removing structural barriers. Bureaucracy and the academics’ time. Annual development report writing. &#13;
00:12:00 Encouragement of leadership and of staff. University of Western Australia on a global scale. Number 96. Ratings and impact. Nobel Prize winner. Building beyond a community outside Australia. Specialization using target areas. MBA in mining. Change in the collective character of the staff. Long-term and staff moving on. Staff career path. &#13;
00:18:15 Personal future and direction. Enjoying the job. Concerns and question of the new student. Idea and exchange. Few examples of discipline and misconduct. The character of the school system. Students less self-effacing. Students have a greater sense of self. &#13;
00:23:12 Recollections of misconduct. PROSH pranks and the shiny new Volvo. Hole dug in the terrace and the lobster. The nature of the sense of camaraderie. Fewer characters at the university. Barriers and sense of fun. Demands on time. Sense of community and sense of home. Entering the system and leaving the institution.&#13;
00:30:21 Looking back on the experience to date. The university on the edge of the world. University of Western Australia technology and international image perception. Phrase that springs to mind. UNIVERSITY. The University that does not need qualification.&#13;
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0:00	Introduction by Anne Yardley&#13;
00:15	Jan’s academic struggles in high school due to polio.  Went to St Hilda’s and repeated a year, sitting for matriculation 1962.  Exam results published in Daily News newspaper , Jan passed three subjects but needed five to matriculate. &#13;
05:00	Studied hard over summer holidays and with coaching, sat supplementary exams and matriculated: I could barely believe it! Who knows what I would have done had I not matriculated. I’m extremely grateful to Mum and Dad for their support getting me to uni because it’s made a huge difference to my life.&#13;
08:30	Jan discusses her mother, Dorothy Ransom [1917-2012]: won a scholarship to Perth Modern School, completed a science degree, majoring in zoology and geology, and Graduate Diploma of Education, had research positions and was very involved in voluntary work at UWA:  president of Federation of University Women [now Graduate Women], hard working and conscientious Senate member very interested in staff and students, regularly attended graduation ceremonies.&#13;
15:00	Jan’s interest was in zoology, she studied psychology, geology, biology and chemistry in first year.  Recalls students wearing black gowns to lectures.  Discusses university life in the 1960s:  she lived at home, spent full days at uni, neither she nor her friends had jobs except during summer holidays, parents paid fees and books: It was very exciting time but I was still totally dependent on my parents. Jan received a Commonwealth scholarship in her second year. &#13;
20:00	Jan recalls Freshers’ camp at Araluen and the Freshers’ Ball at Winthrop, an occasion for some students for illicit under age drinking, drinking age was 21.   Initiation rites common in most faculties with one student receiving facial burns as a result: &#13;
Last Friday, it was revealed that stern disciplinary action had been taken against several students following an initiation torture of a first year Science student. This student had to be treated for facial burns at Royal Perth Hospital as a result of his initiation .&#13;
25:00	Fresher activity Meet the Dean.  Science dean was foundation professor of micro-biology, Professor Neville Stanley who said to students: Look at the person next to you.  Next year, one of you will not be here. Jan was determined to succeed.  End of year exam results posted up outside the Ref, she was terrified but had passed.  A big achievement for her. &#13;
29:00	Describes campus: much more compact in 1963.  Reid Library and Arts building under construction, old library partly in Undercroft.  Psychology and the Law buildings were weatherboard shacks where Physics is now.  Zoology was next to St George’s College in a building purported to have a belfry . Students old enough to drink went to Steve’s Hotel. Describes the Ref, popular place between lectures for food.&#13;
34:00	Describes typical student day in Science:  three or four lectures in the morning, all notes taken in longhand, lectures non-interactive; lab classes in afternoons. All reference materials in library, more longhand note taking.  Lectures not recorded so attendance mandatory. Full days spent at uni with more library time on weekends.  University life very social. &#13;
40:00  Jan made friends, became part of university community.  Discusses geology camp, second year.  Boys and girls on separate camps.  Boys camping in the bush envied by girls at Araluen on day excursions to Cardup and Boya to investigate sedimentary rock.  &#13;
Geology Professor Rex Prider’s metamorphic rock outside the department whitewashed in student prank.&#13;
45:00	Discusses units:  Psych 10 was popular, regarded as easy, taught by Professor Ken Walker,  statistics taught by Dr Wally Tauss.  Professor Ron Berndt was foundation professor of Anthropology – establishment as a separate department supported by Ken Wallker. Professor Berndt studied under A.P Elkin at Sydney University. &#13;
49:30 	In 1938, Elkin wrote “The Australian Aborigines, How to Understand Them” , an eye opener to Jan about indigenous culture.  Jan’s uncle lived in the Pilbara and artifacts bought by him were donated to the Berndt Museum.  Jan’s anthropology tutor, Mary Hodgkin, also advised overseas Asian students.  Discusses Colombo Plan  for Asian students to study in Australia.&#13;
55:00 	Jan talks about learning to study successfully by note taking.  Discusses exams: It was like going to be executed.  It was terrifying.  End of year exams included full year’s work with no indication of topics likely to be covered.  Most held in Winthrop under strict invigilation.  Later studying for a Dip Ed, Jan found exam worth fifty percent with other components included. Much less stressful.&#13;
1:15:00	End first interview&#13;
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Interview 2&#13;
00:10 	Recognition given by UWA to Dorothy Ellen Ransom on her contribution:&#13;
…When I saw people around Mum at UWA, they treated her like a queen.  I found it very touching and I could see there was a genuine interest in Mum and Mum had a genuine interest in them and all that was happening at UWA…&#13;
Awarded the inaugural Chancellor’s Medal, 1996, at her last Senate meeting. Citation mentioned time on the Senate; with Convocation; with the Federation of University Women [now Graduate Women] also said that she’d been: one of the university’s most assiduous ambassadors in the community.  Medal was presented by acting Vice Chancellor, Michael Barber.  Family were overjoyed.&#13;
Also received Order of Australia, June 1998 with similar citation. &#13;
5:00	In 1976, Dorothy Ransom suggested that the university anthem be sung to the music of Gaudeamus Igitur   graduation ceremonies.  David Tunley arranged first piece of music played when Dorothy received Chancellor’s Medal.&#13;
In 1994 she suggested to Registrar Malcolm Orr a competition for an original composition for organ in the style of Gaudeamus Igitur as a graduation processional be awarded. From Dorothy Ransom’s estate, an annual prize in composition, valued at $500, since increased to $1000, is awarded to an undergraduate. Jan and her brother invited to present prize each year.&#13;
11:00  	Jan discusses debutantes’ ball: popular in 1950s and ‘60s, ‘coming out’ signified entry into society.  For Jan’s generation more an opportunity to have fun and meet people.  Balls very popular, each university faculty had balls as did other organisations such as Hunt Club, Cancer Crusade,  Royal Commonwealth Society.  &#13;
15:00	Jan ‘came out’ at Red Cross Ball. Process included being accepted by ball committee, choosing gowns, partners, attending rehearsals, pre and post ball parties and being presented to wife of the Governor, Lady Gairdner.  Girls wore white gowns, boys dinner suits.  &#13;
20:00 	To me it meant a lot of fun; an opportunity to meet people.  It was at the beginning of the university academic year so there was no pressure of exams or big assignments or anything like that.  It was what all my friends were doing and being a teenager of course, that’s what you want to do. &#13;
Jan met future husband, science student David Lord, at zoology camp at Rottnest research station in orientation week.  David invited Jan to St George’s College Ball where he was a resident. He changed study course and continued in medicine.   &#13;
25:00	Jan and David were engaged in 1967 and married 1968 .  &#13;
Students addressed academic staff formally: it was all reasonably respectful and a little bit distant.  As undergraduates we didn’t call the lecturers by their first names.  Zoology department separate from main campus, Professor Waring resisted moving citing lack of time as reason.  Zoology was like its own little world really with two lecture theatres, laboratories, library, lunch room.  Everyone enjoyed the atmosphere there. &#13;
30:00	Jan describes Professor Waring:  &#13;
	Prog, as we called him, could actually be pretty intimidating.  He was very tall;  he’d come from Liverpool so he had a very distinctive Liverpudlian accent and also a very loud voice. He was never one to mince his words and he had quite an air of authority about him.  There was no doubt whatsoever that he was head of the department.  &#13;
Professor Waring nurtured Zoology students and helped students, including Jan, get their first jobs.  Labs were very social environments: Honours students used labs to make snacks for evening suppers.&#13;
35:00	Mainly marsupials studied, particularly Rottnest quokkas .  Special research interest to Professor Waring, John Shield and Wayne Parker.  Projects included studying reproduction which involved students checking on births each night.  Jan recalls working with Adrienne Jones and discovering a new joey; describes techniques for checking mother’s pouch.  &#13;
40:00	Third year zoology camp also at Rottnest research station.  Jan understands university leased naval barracks and signal station from Department of Fisheries and Fauna.  Staff and PhD students could stay at station.  Describes weatherboard house and living arrangements: boys slept in tower, girls in the house with students helping cook and clean.  Research undertaken daily usually marine biology but with some terrestrial biology.  Lab work done at the station.  Jan describes unorthodox method of catching quokkas at night using a jeep and students sitting on the bonnet poised to net quokkas.&#13;
45:00	Jan thinks captured quokkas transferred to mainland university labs.  Jan reads article by Ernest Hodgkin: &#13;
Professor Waring came in 1948 but it was not until 1953 that the state Departments of Fisheries and Fauna secured the lease of the naval barracks and signal station near the main lighthouse, primarily to enable research to be carried out on the marine and terrestrial fauna and flora of Rottnest Island and for the training of undergraduate and post graduate students in essential field disciplines. &#13;
Fourth year and Honours students camp on Garden Island studying the tammar .  Distressingly, this involved students killing tammars for study purposes. Looking back on it, well, it’s very distressing and I cannot imagine, now, how that sort of study would get past any ethics committee.&#13;
Dr Mark Dixon Associate Director (Research Integrity) University of Western Australia provides this statement about ethical guidelines in 2015: &#13;
There have been large steps to reduce the suffering of animals, and these are regulated via both a code of ethics and legislation.  In particular, the Australian code for the care and use of animals for scientific purposes, which is now in its 8th edition, is quite prescriptive about minimising suffering in animals studied in research.&#13;
The animal code of ethics requires the University of Western Australia to convene an animal ethics committee to review every research project that involves animals. Teaching classes that involve animals are also required to be reviewed.  The committee must have a balance of members from each of: researchers, veterinarians, representatives from animal welfare groups, and members of the public unaffiliated with the University.  Our representatives from animal welfare are leading members of the RSPCA.  The committee does not work by majority vote: all members must come to consensus on each project before that project is allowed to begin.  The research projects must explain why animals are essential to perform the research, how the number of animals involved is reduced to a minimum, and how the animals will be cared for to minimise suffering.&#13;
51:00	Jan discusses Prosh .  Lectures were cancelled on Wednesday mornings especially for event; faculties would decorate truck with various themes, special edition of student newspaper with sales going to the charity, examples of title The Sundry Times, the Worst  Australian.	&#13;
54:00	Jan describes her pre Prosh stunt to publicise event to go into CBD and pretend to do a strip tease.  Police notified of stunt but Jan was arrested, taken to police station, searched and put in a cell.  Student Guild paid five pounds bail;  Jan to attend Magistrate’s Court next day to be charged with disorderly conduct.  Jan’s lawyer father not amused; actions.  Family advised by John Wickham QC, not to appear in Court.   Magistrate accepted that it was a stunt and the bail was estreated , no conviction recorded.  &#13;
1:01:00  Editorial in The West Australian said:&#13;
Bizarre though it may have been the strip stunt at a city intersection on Friday was nothing more than a stunt and the girl concerned certainly deserves to suffer no damage to her reputation for it.&#13;
Jan gained notoriety;  supported by Prosh including director Ralph Alexander who said police had overstepped the mark.  That year’s Prosh a success raising 2,450 pounds, a record then. &#13;
1:05:00 Jan concerned about parents’ response: They were not pleased.  I didn’t want to displease my parents who were of course enormously supportive of me being at university. I was a bit downcast about it but not for long particularly because of the support of fellow students.&#13;
1:06:00	 End second interview.&#13;
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Interview 3&#13;
00:20	Jan’s first job at Princess Margaret Hospital in cytogenetics   lab as medical technologist to replace Helen Trowell on long service leave.  Lab tested children for chromosomal abnormality, for example Down Syndrome .  Jan took blood, grew then harvested cells and checked under microscope.   &#13;
05:00	Admits UWA studies had not prepared her for this role.  Work interesting and rewarding, friendships made.  Jan and David married 1968, Jan moved to another job at Medical School with Dr Byron Kakulas working on muscular dystrophy .&#13;
09:50	Jan discusses wedding as very traditional; most planning done by parents, ceremony at St George’s College, reception at Palace Hotel with usual speeches. Honeymooned in Albany.  Returning to Perth, David to university, Jan to work as breadwinner: It didn’t seem difficult at the time.  It was a no frills existence.  Bought small house Redfern Street, Subiaco, helped financially by family.  &#13;
 Enjoyed work, mostly on progressive disease, Duchenne muscular dystrophy. Dr Kakulas’ project to find cause of disease, treatments, most importantly, prevention.   &#13;
15:00	Again worked on tissue culture from fetal tissue. Jan junior member of team: &#13;
I guess I was several steps back from the patients and the families which, because it was such a terrible thing, was a blessing.  That didn’t stop me thinking about it and how terrible it would be when you thought you had a perfectly normal child to watch them deteriorate over many years.  It would be terrible. &#13;
David called up for National Service for service in Vietnam . Jan describes feeling dreadful:&#13;
They had this ballot system with birth dates on marbles and his marble would have been pulled out at the end of 1965 just after he’d turned twenty.  For people whose birthdates were pulled out of the drum were expected to present  for National Service.&#13;
20:00 	David’s medical studies enabled him to defer until his course and one year residency completed.   Possibility of service in Vietnam made the couple delay  having children:  Yes, it made a huge difference to our lives.&#13;
Eight medical students called up, only one went in to army, the rest, including David, failed medical.&#13;
25:00 	Jan discusses children: Jenny born 1969, James 1970, Jonathan 1973.  David pursued psychiatry, family moved to Dunedin, New Zealand, 1974, during his post graduate studies.  Returned after three years, David now worked for UWA, couple found housing prices had jumped enormously  but managed to buy home in Dalkeith. Jan returned to studies at UWA for a Dip Ed [graduate diploma education]. Hoped to work in primary or special needs education: … It was then that I understood how stressful it could be juggling study and a family.  Jan describes routine during studies, friends and family helping with children, returning to university library after children in bed at night. &#13;
30:00	Took four years to complete diploma then unable to get a position in State system without taking a country position. Found work teaching an autistic child, job sharing with another newly qualified teacher: work both rewarding and fun.  Second experience studying very different from undergraduate years, less focus on socialising. &#13;
Jan valued her university education: loved zoology; mixed with diverse people; students had fun in 1960s;  opened up work opportunities.  &#13;
35:15	UWA as a campus in the community according to Jan, still makes use of UWA going to Somerville cinema, Writers’ Festival, extension courses; meets friends for lunch in gardens; visits campus with grandchildren. Has taken youngest grandchild to School of Music course, Junior Music run by Jenny Stephenson for pre-school children: …a wonderful offering of the School of Music for children to become familiar with music. Enjoyed exploring gardens en route to music school.&#13;
39.30	Jan volunteers interviewing prospective medical and dental students, a component of GAMSAT  assessment procedure.  Interviews tightly structured, volunteers undergo extensive training; a very responsible job:  &#13;
During the interview, when you ask a question, you are advised that you need to ask the question in exactly the same way for each student. Then we all write furiously because we try to write down everything that the student says.&#13;
Importance of UWA to Jan:  &#13;
I have an enormous fondness for it and part of that fondness stems from my familiarity with it.  I just feel it’s almost like my garden that I can just go down there—I’ve been going there for so long that it’s such a familiar place and that feels very nice, very nice indeed.&#13;
Experience of serious illness has influenced Jan’s life:  learning to accept limitations; learning greater tolerance of difference in people; understanding impact of serious illness on a family;  advocating strongly for childhood vaccination programs; learning to count blessings not disappointments.&#13;
46:30	END final interview.&#13;
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Jan’s mother, Dorothy Ransom was a committed UWA Senate member and recipient of the inaugural UWA Chancellor’s Medal in 1996.  She was awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia (OAM) for services to the community particularly through her work at UWA.  Jan talks about her mother and her great dedication to UWA.&#13;
The experience of suffering a serious illness had a profound effect on Jan and in recent years she became involved with the Post Polio Network and co-wrote a book Poliomyelitis in Western Australia: a History  .  She also provided research and inspiration for author Joan London’s fictional book The Golden Age  .  &#13;
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00:00:00 Introduction background information. Barbara York and the Wheat belt in the depression. Affinity with the landscape. Interest in entomology. Women’s options for a career. Desire to work in a museum.&#13;
00:05:05 Ludwig Glauert and the Perth Museum. Farming life and brothers. Solitary person. Escaping life and farming community by gaining education. The path of coming to University of Western Australia. Schooling and families on farms. Matriculation and institutional life at The Women’s College, Catherine College, in the box buildings from WWII. Memories of life and the university.&#13;
00:10:28 Impressions of UWA and actual experiences of the campus. Reputation of the department of Zoology. Memories of Ernest Hodgkin. Inspiration and the study of entomology and Jenkins. Professor Waring and Professor Nichols. Presence of women at the university. Classical biology and new ideas with Professor Waring. &#13;
00:16:40 Waring broadens the scope of the course. Bob Kirk. Direction. Thoughts of the liberal arts course. Interest in writing of general natural history. Decisions to do a science degree. Dropping out of mathematics and opting for the soft sciences. &#13;
00:20:39 Early years and the course structure. Memories of Nichols and Clarke*, Rex Prider*, Rhodes Fairbridge. Inspiring world of the university and learning. Getting into entomology with Ernest Hodgkin. Interest in spiders and arachnology. Economic entomology and Western Australia.&#13;
00:25:30 Studies on spiders, trapdoor spiders. &#13;
00:31:30 Studying crustaceans and spiders. Orb weavers and teaching at Otago* New Zealand. Life as a student as an undergraduate and PhD student in the 1940-50s. Western Australia a diverse place to study Mygalomorph spiders. &#13;
00:35:10 UWA and the rest of the world. Visits to Australia Museum and Tasmania. Professor Hickman* was an inspiration. Memories of the museum in WA and curator Ludwig Glauert. &#13;
00:38:11 Isolated university and students ambitions. Medical school and higher degree. Bert Main goes to Chicago and Oxford. Among the first PhD students at UWA. Direction of personal career. The second woman to obtain a PhD. Encouragement of women by Professor Waring in the course. Obtaining a formal position was impossible for women. Catherine Berndt* anthropology. Importance of research grants. &#13;
00:43:20 Formal positions for women at UWA not encouraged. Mother was sympathetic for Barbara to further her studies. &#13;
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00:00:00 Memories of Chris Jessop. Stimulated by a person considered a bush naturalist. Inaccessible to the public. Direction and focus for publications. &#13;
00:05:10 Distinguishing the primitive Mygalomorph and modern spiders. Evolution of spiders. Origins of the Palaeozoic era. Attracted by the webs of the true spiders. Door types and taxonomic characters. &#13;
00:10:45 Finding new species the genus idiosoma*spiders. Discoveries put Barbara Main on the map. Having grants at UWA as a PhD and further career. &#13;
00:15:30 Becoming a lecturer. Order of Obiata* spiders. Spider studies. Wolf spiders. Australian Museum. Motivations to study Mygalomporph*spiders. &#13;
00:20:20 Scholarship to the British museum. Encouragement to go overseas. Observations in Britain and other museum. Difference of spiders in isolation. Early findings and formal taxonomy. Conothele* Malayana. As distinct from a genus called Amidia* from the Americas and Spain. Findings of the commonness of the species. Species found only in WA. &#13;
00:25:40 Isolation of colony. WA a South-Western peninsular and the relic from the Gondwana phase. Description of the habitat of trapdoor spiders. Downgrading of zoology and the emphasis on procedure. Subjects that attract students. &#13;
00:29:47 Sharing of knowledge at the University, departments. Publications. Blind Mygalomorphs* live in the caves of the Nullarbor. People don’t read papers. Comparisons to the connection of botanical papers to other organisms. People attracted to other areas of study. &#13;
00:35:00 Importance of spiders as sign post to other ecology and the changing environment. Reserves, endangered and restricted species of trapdoor spiders. People taking on board indicators. SRE Short Range Endemics. Impacts of mining. Assessing short range of Trapdoors.&#13;
00:37:07 Working with Harry Butler. Spiders eat small reptiles. Studies of Redback spiders. Comparing New Zealand and African species. Development of career. Affinity of spiders with other locations and countries. Recognising female and male spiders. Morphology of spiders. Sperm transfer via pedipalps*. Male trapdoor spiders are capture and studies. Collecting the penultimate male. Identifying a species.&#13;
00:44:01 Focusing future work. Diversity of climate ranges. Western Australia has a wider range of species. Technology associated with study of spiders not so reliable. Study of crustaceans. Sticking to spiders. Discussing invertebrates. The importance of publishing. Taxonomy of spiders. Being approached to write books. Spiders of Australia... A guide to their identification with brief notes on the natural history and common form. Jacaranda 1964&#13;
00:49:00 Writing of the book with encouragement by Professor Waring. Drawings of spiders. Memories of influential people. Professor Waring and the pursuit of research interest. Proving self.&#13;
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00:00:00 Career and teaching. Going through CV Adjunct Professor. Changes in the quality of academic learning, teaching and formal procedures. Changes student and staff research techniques altering at the broad scale taxonomic affinities. Species level and survey short range endemics. Protecting flora and fauna. Students and specialists, the attitudes of biologists. &#13;
00:04:24 Rating and rankings are well deserved by UWA. Memories of Albert Russel Main. Lecturing and field courses, his grounding in geology and biology. Conservation implications. Bert and his wider scope for zoology. Research and ecological teaching. National and international recognition. &#13;
00:09:52 Main’s early work with frogs. Research in artificial mating of frogs, interest in frog desert adaptation. Main’s early students. Murray Littlejohn* and his technological interest. Distinguishing frogs call. Bert’s interest in adaptation in organisms. Involvement with government bodies. Bert’s involvement in development of reserves. &#13;
00:14:45 Bert and his achievements personal chair in 1967. Waring and the god professor system. BR Main was very busy and was a great talker. Not a didactic teacher. Expansive public lectures. Waring and Main are awarded for their work Britannica Award*. Broadening his work on marsupials. Bert and his interest in Marsupial physiology. &#13;
00:18:30 Fellow of the AAS, Honorary foreign member of the ASIH, commander of the civil division of the Order of the British Empire. The importance of being recognised for work done. Collaboration in field work. Rough camping and the community at UWA. &#13;
00:22:25 Problems at UWA and the parking situation. Discouragement to go to university. Getting information online. The visual aspect of UWA and the Landscape for Learning. Designer buildings. &#13;
00:25:10 BR Main’s further achievements. Honorary member of the Royal Society, Honorary DSC, ecological society of Australia medal and Von Beulah medal*. Memories of the B York Main AO.&#13;
00:20:11 UWA and other universities. Murdoch and Notre Dame*. Larger number of students and the competition and interaction. Interactions with Curtin and Edith Cowan. International field of landscape and language. &#13;
00:30:20 Informal connections. Guest lecturer and conference and study. Zoology and UWA and the world-level interactions. BR Main’s direct interests in zoological affinities with fauna on a world scale. Persistence of Organisms in Australian ecology and changing landscape. &#13;
00:34:27 Involvements in corporate endeavours. Spiders and people’s phobias. Most spiders are harmless. Involvements with writing fiction and prose writings. King Wave* and A Visit From Home. Between Wodjil and Tor. Twice-trodden Ground. &#13;
00:40:50 Further involvements in lecturing and course involvements. Personal concerns and future interests. Working more solidly with half-finished manuscripts. Final words about UWA&#13;
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00:00	Introduction&#13;
00:30	Christopher Richard Marsh, born 16 June 1950.  Parents Roy [Ernest] Marsh, merchant navy sea caption, mother Joanna Marsh [née Martin] from Donnybrook. During childhood, didn’t see father often which he likens to present experience of fly in fly out workers’ families: “ship in ship out”.  Schooling, everything based around what mother did for him and his sister.  Only when father retired did Chris really get to know him.  Father became a master mariner. Parents met just before the war, mother involved in secret service work unbeknown to family.  Father travelled the world, sailing ships and motor vessels, was involved in convoys in North Sea during war. Most seafaring career up west coast of WA, taking cargo and later cargo and passengers.  Very involved with development of north-west.  Ord River scheme stands out for Chris, father involved in shipping materials for project – in its pioneer days. &#13;
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05:00	 In 1974 Chris’s future wife, Sandra [née Mclean] joined family at Christmas when family got news of Cyclone Tracy  and that Chris’s father’s ship was the first into Darwin following the cyclone – only line of communication into Darwin.   &#13;
School: ‘old boy’ of St Hilda’s pre-primary.  Richmond then Nedlands State Schools till 1960 then Christ Church Grammar School until 1967.  Sport a big part of Chris’s life:  Aussie Rules and cricket especially.  Mother mostly brought up Chris and sister.  Father worked hard to send children to private school, thinks parents struggled financially, mostly renting homes.  Father also worked in wool stores, made sacrifices to send them to private schools.  “Blown away by this sacrifice, they worked really hard to give us a good education.”  Chris valued his education, mostly enjoyed school, reflects on how character is molded by upbringing, environment. &#13;
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10:00 But a disinterested teacher adversely influenced his academic performance, took Chris time to reach university standard.  Loved humanities, biology, botany – loved tending mother’s garden, mowing, a very practical person.  Quite good at art and drawing hence architecture but he worried about maths proficiency. Accepted into WAIT   studying architecture and later joined architectural firm.  Wasn’t a Chair in landscape architecture at the time, only course in Canberra.  “If there had been, I would have done landscape architecture, no doubt about it.” Gained associate degree architecture, six years, industry based course at WAIT.  &#13;
First work at 1974 Forbes and Fitzhardinge   during last two and a half years of course, found it extremely energising –  much activity late 60s and early 70s architectural firms doing well in boom times. Learnt from Perth’s best designers.&#13;
15:00	Assisted with work on AMP tower, Commonwealth Bank, Palace Hotel and issues with demolition. Historic buildings unfortunately removed in name of progress.  Exciting time, one of bigger firms in Perth at 1 Ord St East Perth.  “We had the time of our lives.”  Got to know Gus Ferguson at UWA, much work on uni campus.  Discusses similarities between architecture and turf management – the mindset doesn’t change.  More hands on being turf manager, but still have same thought processes to plan for major sporting events:  logical thinking.  Skills cross over – Chris still uses drawing board to plan sports events.  Presentation important. 1974, downturn in economy, construction declined, experienced architects were retrenched.  Defining moment, geared up for architecture career, but had doubts about security.  &#13;
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20:00	Out of work, he waited by the phone, went to beach, the pub which led to work at Chelsea Tavern, became bar manager and met future wife Sandy there, married in 1978.  Had great fun enjoyed night clubbing but not getting anywhere professionally.  &#13;
22:15	1976 applied for UWA job in landscape architect’s office, Jean Verschuer , stayed 6 / 7 months.  During 1968 holidays, summer Chris had worked at UWA for George Munns  and his foreman, John Davey, very knowledgeable.  Office work didn’t suit Chris, glad to be offered work as groundsman.  &#13;
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25:00 New Year’s Eve 2016 will mark 40 years working for grounds department UWA. &#13;
Office work for Jean Verschuer was drafting and although enjoyed architectural studies, preferred grounds work despite modest pay.  Parents not pleased about move.  Work involved mowing programs for sporting ovals.  Athletes like Dennis Lillee, Raylene Boyle  involved in testing with human movement department.  Love of botany came to the fore.  Doesn’t recall learning on the job, most people self taught then.  Turf management a  science but common sense also needed.  UWA then had very good rose gardens, but today more maintenance free grounds needed.&#13;
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30:00 	Formal studies came later.  Moved from campus grounds to McGillivray Oval – then a wide open space and akin to being sent to Siberia, not well thought of position.  Known by horticulturists then as ‘green desert’.  Still aspects of ‘them’ and ‘us’ between main campus gardens and McGillivray sports grounds:  I was basically banished but that was the best thing that happened to me. Expectation he’d leave to return to architecture but he preferred horticulture. Was given termination papers but with help from foreman and curator of McGillivray pleaded his case, that he understood sport and wanted him to work on cricket wickets. Must appreciate sport and athletes’ needs to manage sporting facilities, especially cricket, where ground can affect outcome of a game.  Chris finds it common sense, but not everyone does.  &#13;
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35:00 In late 1977 the then curator left, Chris thrown in at the deep end to provide cricket wickets, &#13;
Chris’s son, Thomas, studied history of McGillivray.  Chris took on curator’s job and cottage 1981 until 2013.  Thomas grew up at McGillivray.  State government bequeathed land to university in 1908, about 60 acres of virgin bush, market gardens at south end, pig farm, west Subiaco rubbish tip, Aboriginal people living on land.  1929 to 1933 German entrepreneur selling tractors, Herman Ittershagen, leased land for airport.  Local car club built race track around airfield, named it Brooklands.  Usage waxed and waned over the years. &#13;
40:00	Air pageants with cars around the track, a marshal was injured.  Car club folded.  Subiaco and Nedlands libraries have some historical stories on record.  During Second World War, airstrip bulldozed to prevent Japanese landing.  Post war – motor cycle scrambles, gliding – people showing interest in using the land.  Increasingly difficult for Ittershagen to get civil aviation licenses and gave it away.  &#13;
Chris’s first recollections were of 1962 Commonwealth Games, used for bus parking to get to Perry Lakes Stadium.  &#13;
 43:00	Late 1950s and early 1960s, UWA considered the area for sporting rounds, notably Prof Allan Fels .&#13;
1963 UWA began to develop grounds for sport, clear land.  Dr McGillivray donated 10,000 pounds to UWA  towards cost.   Chris doesn’t know actual cost.  Land cleared and grass planted. 1964 change rooms western side of grounds built.  Opened in May 1965  (50th year 2015).  Race track still visible northern boundary Cambridge and Nedlands Council boundaries.  &#13;
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45:00	To acknowledge 50 years, a plaque or information board about history suggested, but not happened so far.  Chris would like to see– both for 50 years of sports grounds and even earlier history.  Noongyar community had to be consulted about moving native vegetation for clay tennis courts, discussed with anthropologists.  Because Chris had knowledge of history and knew it to be re-growth so not actually virgin bush.  Most of sports grounds originally part of coastal Tuart forests.  Footprint of sports grounds grass playing fields not changed, other facilities built eg clay courts and synthetic hockey grounds.  McGillivray Road follows lie of the land.  Parts of CSIRO area (UWA land) still has old Tuart trees.  Chris found part of race track on sports grounds when digging about half metre down.  Early 1970s, concerns about tree stumps just under surface. &#13;
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50:00	April 1981 Chris and family moved into the caretaker’s cottage.  Tony Morgan replaced Jean Verscheur as landscape architect.   Subsidised rent attractive to young family but house run down and wife, Sandy horrified. With clean up and modifications became livable. House became a farm in the western suburbs. Son, Thomas, had plenty to do, Chris tells story of Thomas playing with lambs and ducks in Perry Lakes – free range child.  Closest residential neighbours in Floreat.  &#13;
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55:00	We looked out on a vast greenness from the  front door - fabulous time in the early days, changed after Challenge Stadium built 1986 with more people coming in. No security concerns, felt safe, doing rounds occasionally came across unfortunate things – suicide in change rooms quite difficult to deal with at the time.  Living on site meant always on duty, very protective of facility, kept on top of any problems that arose.  Occasional undesirable behaviour with increase in clubs activity.  UWA Football Club at AJ Williams pavilion  hockey, tennis and baseball clubs for instance. Chris believes still needs to be a presence on site on regular basis.  &#13;
It’s an asset that’s worth billions in land value, but it’s also an asset that is worth so much more to the population.&#13;
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Interview 2&#13;
00:00	Introduction&#13;
00:30	Value of the asset at McGillivray Sports Oval and main campus for recreation, pleasure and sport. UWA fortunate to have space for multi sport venue, receive many requests for large carnivals, for instance Australian University Games (every five years).  Facilities benefit economy by bringing people to Perth for carnivals.  In early 2000s, the Golden Oldies Rugby international competition, brought approximately $20 million to the economy; July 2002 held World Lacrosse Championships with 20 countries, USA, Canada, Iroquois native Americans, competing at elite level – challenging event for Chris and staff.  Overseas visitors in awe of space in Perth for sports facilities.  Hard to put a figure on financial value of sports grounds to economy.  Draw card for sport, for instance UWA the only host of Australian University Games able to hold all sports within radius of two kilometres.  &#13;
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05:00	Most cities bus from venue to venue.  UWA facilities unique though Loughborough University, UK  and Sydney University also place high value on sport. Building towards carnivals is challenging and interesting part of job for Chris.  Qualifications:  as grounds man, gardeners were self taught, usually passionate gardeners.  Nature part of process.  Through 1970s and 1980s qualifications became more important.  Horticulture certificate, diplomas studies at Tafe at Bentley.  Turf management not thought of until mid 1980s.  Chris took two year industry based turf management certificate 1989-90 partly to encourage UWA to recognise occupation as a trade.  Course consisted two evenings, two hours each for two years;  included site visits for instance WACA to learn about wickets.  &#13;
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10:00	Small industry with little opportunity to meet others in industry;  friendly, enjoyable industry. Chris won best student in his year, won an award – C H Bailey Shield.  UWA supportive of studies.  Turf management a growing medium.  Grass has different needs at different times of year, good surface must be sustained.  Some sports, much hockey now played on synthetic surfaces, some tennis on clay.  Most ball sports played on turf, with different preferences. Chris says McGillivray has best grass hockey grounds in Southern Hemisphere. 1977 Australia played New Zealand in hockey test match, turf quality very good.  Spring is renovation time for grass, most growth in summer to be ready for non growing period in winter when most ball sports played.  &#13;
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15:00 Other turf types introduced, for example over sowing rye into couch, particularly for heavy sports like rugby, AFL.  In spring, rye sprayed out and couch strengthened. Waste water irrigation introduced 2004 from sewage treatment works, Subiaco – bonus for grounds with extra nutrients.  First big city to use treated sewage waste water on sports grounds.  Most treated waste sewage water goes into sea at Swanbourne.  McGillivray now uses 1.5 megalitres (1.5 million millimetres) per night, five nights per week in summer.  Fifty-four million litres wasted into the sea. Water also chlorine treated before use at McGillivray, two year trial period through Water Corporation through Tafe.  Water sampling and CSIRO pathogen survival test done, so very safe for sporting ground, better than earlier times with sheep grazing on grounds.  &#13;
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20:00	UWA rugby club were concerned about staph infections but turned out to be off ground hygiene at fault.  I think it’s [waste water] an accepted thing.  Hopefully, one of these days we’ll be drinking treated waste water.&#13;
Regulations require signage to say These grounds are irrigated with waste water between the hours of nine and one. No drinking fountains on grounds. Now have different types of grasses for over sowing, worked with PGG Wrightson, New Zealand seed producers to work on over seeding so there is winter grass growing. Turf technicians beholden to usage and weather – if they all align, then we’re really doing well, …It’s one of those jobs where it’s not finite.  It’s to do with a lot of luck.  Management of ground, with usage.  We’re victims of our own success and I think we succeed reasonably well within the constraints of budget… that we can produce sports grounds that people want to play on.  Elite sports teams want to train at McGillivray.  &#13;
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25:00	Western Force uses grounds for training as well as UWA Rugby   and third tier rugby – city based, Perth Spirit, hence now  able to sustain rugby over full 12 months except for two or three weeks over Christmas.  Big challenge to maintain grounds.  Elite sportspeople need to be safe on the sports grounds.  For instance, shin splint injuries if turf too hard.  Injuries inevitable, try to provide best surface for particular sport.  Important for turf managers to understand different sports from a player’s viewpoint, eg, baseball has specific dimensions for pitcher’s mound.  &#13;
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30:00	 Aim for weekend sport is for freshly mown, beautiful looking ground – Chris finds joy in this.  In Chris’s 40 years, worked under seven vice chancellors.  Some passionate VCs – Alan Robson  – very keen on sport.  Fantastic people to have around.  Prof John Boomfield , Human Movement also passionate – provide grounds for testing eg fast bowlers, Shoaib Akhtar , came to WA to have bowling action checked.  Had to prepare wicket to specific standard. John Bloomfield instrumental in development of Challenge Stadium.  &#13;
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35:00 	Elite teams, for instance AFL teams, West Coast Eagles and Dockers, train at McGillivray and requested testing and remedial action of surface to suit requirements. Climate important factor:  in 2000, eight clay tennis courts put in, 2004 another six added, now not really playable.  Clay courts new to WA and experienced problems with dry summer winds.  European designed courts deteriorated quickly in WA but turf can be rehabilitated or re-laid.  Challenges come with local conditions, eg water, now have good irrigation for uniformity of grass.  Eventually grounds suffer too much use.&#13;
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40:00 	McGillivray has ability to move sports to different grounds to prevent over use.  When Chris played sport was two nights per week for limited time with no lights on ground.  Now grounds used every day and evenings.  Schools use grounds 3.30 – 5.30 pm, then UWA seniors continue to 9pm.  Intensive use of grounds especially during practice sessions.  Chris worked 10 years on James Oval, UWA campus on cricket wickets. Different from McGillivray as built on alluvial flood plain, hence drainage and watering different.  James Oval has different uses, good planning necessary..&#13;
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45:00 	Silver Chair Concert at McGillivray with one week ‘bump in’ trucks bringing in infrastructure for seven thousand people on ground.  Weeks and months before event the important part.  All campus space well used, for instance Writers Festival, social sport, O Days  on James Oval and others, compromise needed.  Chris believes UWA cricket may need to move as it grows.  Suffers from only having one ground on campus.  &#13;
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50:00	Staff at McGillivray when Chris started work were down to earth, hard working – didn’t have in ground irrigation, grounds mown with small mowers – back breaking work.  People now wouldn’t put up with such conditions. Chris learnt from these older workers.  In 2005 supported an English worker on 457 visa , problems trying to get sponsorship.  Within hours of visa expiring, Chris visited Julie Bishop’s  office and had visa approved through sponsorship by UWA.  Another worker similar problems, now both have permanent residency and enjoying life in Australia:  Rob Thompson and Simon Tipple.  Rob won same award Chris had [C H Bailey]. &#13;
55:00	Other staff member Thomas Marsh, Chris’s son, started 2000 works skills situation, now permanent staff member particular interest in athletics track, passionate about work and weather. Cinder based grass athletics track arguably best in Australia if not worldwide.  Grass good for young athletes and for rehabilitation, very forgiving unlike synthetic tracks.  Many WAIS athletes train on grass — pole vaulters, Kim Mickle , javelin champion.  Grass tracks labour intensive, needs continual maintenance.  Cinders come from coal fire power stations, few remaining, cinders now scarce. Hard work to shovel cinders into truck for grounds.  Very dirty, dusty, no masks, ear muffs or protective clothing then.  Proud that track is still used. &#13;
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00:30	University sports people have priority in usage of multi sport facility. McGillivray initially an adjunct to Perry Lakes, now even closer to new athletic stadium for athletes training and rehabilitation. Successful athletes who used facility include high jumpers Alison Inverarity and Christine Stanton. Alex Parnov trains daughters [Elizabeth and Vicky]; Steve Hooker world champion pole vaulter—privilege to work with them, to be appreciated for efforts.  Kim Mickle javelin thrower training for next Olympics – refreshing to see athletes humble.  Once athletes appeared more aloof.  Athletes now more community minded, friendly.  &#13;
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5:00	Late 1980s early 90s athletics track used for ultra marathons, recalls Cliff Young:  These guys were just a little bit crazy in the way they would run 24 hours non stop round our athletics track. Mentions Joe Record  who came to caretaker’s door looking for Vaseline for a chaffing problem from running. &#13;
Different kinds of activities held on oval not usually associated with sport:  weddings, funerals. Previously, held gay olympics with traditional sports as well as handbag throwing.  Several held before AIDS epidemic, imaginative floats—even a mock Pope-mobile.  But AIDS stopped games and though now re-instated not as joyous as before.  Made life at the oval interesting.  &#13;
10:00  In late 1980s, recalls wedding on sports ground.  Funeral was rugby club well known identity.  FESA [now DFAS] used oval for helicopter training – water placed in bath for helicopters to load from.  Fire and hose drill generally done here. Chris had discretion on what events were held on oval, now OH &amp; S concerns means closer scrutiny. Usage of grounds tightened because of its popularity.  Major events include:  World Golden Oldies, early 2000s, World Club Ultimate Championships, 2004, World Lacrosse,  Indian Rim Asian University Games. &#13;
15:00  	Chris understands Noonygar camped around Lake Claremont, Herdsman area with movement of people from one watering hole to another.  Aboriginal community had curfew placed on them by City of Perth, had to return to camps by certain time in evening.  Chris’s aunt, a nurse, worked infectious diseases hospital, Lemnos St , and went to camps to assist.   Aboriginal people made clothes line wooden props from cut down trees and sold to households.  Chris thinks this was pre Second World War.  Living at McGillivray, before HBF, Challenge, stadium, nothing around area except CSIRO, Brockway tip and sewerage treatment works.  Had issues with facilities – winds brought unpleasant smells. Professor Bloomfield lobbied gov to build purpose built stadium for gymnastics, basketball and others.  1991 and 1998 world swimming championships held at Superdome [HBF Stadium], Chris very involved with facilities. &#13;
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20:00	University became involved with DSR [Department of Sport and Recreation] about location of new Perry Lakes and basketball stadium.  Rugby WA was looking for new home. UWA Sports Grounds to provide facilities for these sports as well as centre of health and sporting excellence – original vision.  Global financial crises delayed projects.  Human Movement department keen to move to McGillivray.  Development of clay courts, needs progressing.  Seen AJ Williams pavilion built 1981, Uni hockey club building, now rugby club.  University hockey club built first sand filled turf in 1989, first synthetic wet surface in early 1990s, then two more turfs laid and new clubhouse built.  2014 another second wet surface – hockey well catered for.  Tennis has own club rooms, more work to be done with lighting and clay courts.  With 14 clay courts able to put on major tournaments – national clay court championships for juniors, State championships and others.  Sporting surfaces need replacing over time.  Turf can be renovated, synthetic need replacing. Footprint of grass turf area hasn’t changed, development of synthetic surfaces changed area. &#13;
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25:00 	Challenge to provide top sports grounds and facilities to service sports people. Original change rooms built 1964, need improving.  Chris would like to see facilities upgraded, club rooms have great potential overlooking sports grounds and towards city. Wonderful facility, opportunity for smart buildings in future. In excess of 500,000 people through grounds each year. They come for recreation, health, competitive sport, camaraderie – social interaction. Need to balance optimum use against over use.  Better equipment helps, can always improve methods, still more scope to partner with elite sports clubs, with extra funds to put back into facility.  Have been times when specific sports have wanted to connect with university to use facility, politics sometimes intervened.  &#13;
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30:00	Different university personnel has meant different emphasis. On site management during operational hours is best practice.  University clubs volunteer based. Important to have customer service on site to solve problems as they happen. Sporting association used to have people working from sports park, tennis or hockey centres – worked well. Chris believes should be someone on site from 2 or 3pm to 10.30 or 11pm.  Ground staff available during day with trades people available for back up.  Expects bookings will go online; disadvantage is inability to pay on the day.  Weekends should have someone with sports knowledge and ground management on site. &#13;
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35:00	Ability to check grounds and speak to users an advantage when living on site. Still has meetings with clubs pre season to set out ground rules, clubs are also ground managers when playing – all work together to get best out of facility.  2015 is 50th anniversary of McGillivray.  So far no commemoration planned.  Celebration matches one suggestion.  Chris believes it’s important to record and learn from history.  Remembers that everything was manual in early days, important to pass on knowledge to future staff.&#13;
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40:00	Personal achievements – ability to put on major events. Likes the variety at McGillivray, unlike single sport venue such as the  WACA.  Enjoys interaction with people.  Recalls Japanese baseball team came to play WA side, were amazed to see spacious facility.  Advantage of large space to be able to hold events like Uni Games.  My joys have been successful events.  And to have efforts acknowledged by sporting clubs.  We walk away every Friday hoping we can show ourselves we have achieved something in a week.  &#13;
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45:00	Enjoyment from work.  I feel quite privileged being in this situation.  Disappointments:  put everything into something but outside factors prevent completion, minor setbacks but still disappointing.  Need to rise above, need resilience.  Recalls meeting Jean Verscheur after many years and suggested tour of McGillivray with Friends of Grounds.  &#13;
50:00 	Organised morning tea in tractor shed, displayed history, toured facility.  People appreciated meeting grounds staff and learning about sports facilities.  Glenn Sproule, former curator of grounds was passionate, like George Munns, and had great insight into grounds, an ecologist.  Would like see more education of staff about McGillivray – never been staff induction that includes McGillivray.  Crawley campus academia quite insular. Chris worked 10 years on James Oval, chemistry lecturer regularly traversed Oval without noticing Chris or Oval.  Many immersed in own world, don’t see anything else around. James Oval interesting time for Chris – Elton John played there 1980s.  Food fights between competing faculties.   Cricket Club 100 years old – Chris put together scrap book about Oval.  &#13;
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55:00 	Hard work going from McGillivray to main campus daily. Personnel change enabled Chris to stay at McGillivray.  Believes University cricket will struggle if it stays on main campus, like rugby would benefit from moving to McGillivray. &#13;
57:00	During early caretaking days, bushland setting, enjoyed walking through bush; had a resident tramp living there.  Riding for the Disabled (RDA) used area for riding.  Mounted police did training on grounds.  Unfortunately some people escaped from Graylands Hospital and would need to be returned.  Quite sad.  Recently a patient ended up on shed roof, police had to coax him down.  During building of Challenge Stadium discovered underground room big enough to stand full height.  Walls tiled (from swimming pool tiles), had cooking utensils.  Some concern from RDA people, never discovered who lived there.&#13;
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1:00:00	 Found marijuana growing, the odd stolen vehicle.  Problems with foxes taking chickens.  Their friends enjoyed visiting and being in bush setting.  By 2013 area was well populated. Sporting clubs had celebrations on site.  Chris continues to enjoy working, still engaged.  Since leaving as caretaker, realises there is more to life than work but has also given him renewed enthusiasm.  Still finds challenges.  Seasonal routines though needs can change quickly—that maintains interest. Enjoys interaction with sportspeople and other users of grounds.  Saw Ben Cousins work on rehabilitation, became friendly with family, helped to keep media away.  McGillivray now very much media central as far as sport is concerned. &#13;
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1:05:00 Good for reporters that it’s one stop shop:  can find Eagles, Western Force and Perth Glory training on same day.  Fun for staff. Chris thinks university could get free publicity out of regular television coverage. Still has much to offer new people coming in, would like to be involved with UWA Sport re-structuring.  Doesn’t think he’s slowed down much.    &#13;
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Barry James Marshall 1951 in Kalgoorlie hospital. Background information. Parents history. Bob and Dianne Marshall. Parents and grandparents marry young. Bellman at the Railway Hotel. Mother origins in Victoria. Brains come from mothers side. Fathers background. Stolen generation of white people. &#13;
Parents, father, mother&#13;
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Railway Hotel in Kalgoorlie was an exciting place. Winning the lotteries and the coming of the war. Grandmother and father buy a hotel. Mother is in Gwalia. Father was a rebel during the war. Father has a paper round. Father makes more money than most adults. Father gets in trouble with the law. Father goes on work release. &#13;
Father, mother, hotel&#13;
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Father ends up in Christian Brothers school. Father in Kalgoorlie and works in the railway yards. Rationing associated with housing. Grandfather comes up the hard way.&#13;
grandfather&#13;
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Earliest memories of childhood. Memories of Kalgoorlie. Memories of going to Rum jungle. Living in Carnarvon. Being exposed to whaling and brothers health issues. Sheep slaughtering. Impressions of technology. Fremantle and Kalgoorlie. Fathers hotels in Kalgoorlie. Coming back to Perth and building a house in Scarborough.&#13;
Childhood, sheep, Fremantle Kalgoorlie&#13;
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Fremantle was the end of the earth. Schooling in Kalgoorlie. Neighbours were an escaped Nazi. Learning to read. Being the top of the class. Other childhood memories of Kalgoorlie. Making money and memories of the horse races in Kalgoorlie.&#13;
Kalgoorlie, money&#13;
00:04:39&#13;
Childhood of books and new technology. Childhood games and Guy Fawkes night. Loving school. Learning to respect your elders. Germs and infectious diseases at school. Mothers nursing. &#13;
Books, new technology, nurse&#13;
00:09:36&#13;
New jobs in Perth. Moving to Scarborough. Building the family house. There was always someone better at school. Aspirations at school. Inquisitive. Thoughts of career. Sickness and reading. &#13;
School, reading&#13;
00:13:50&#13;
Hungering after books. Reading manuals and Encyclopaedias and nursing books. Reading bout disease and medicine. Penicillin and antibiotics. Hygiene at the toilets at school and disease at school. Paranoid about hell and sin. Being well behaved. &#13;
Hygiene, antibiotics, penicillin&#13;
00:18:45&#13;
Primary school and high school. Science books and Nobel laureates. Robin warren. Memories of being inspired to be a doctor. University aptitude test and Winthrop hall. Extended medical school at UWA. Dick Joskie* sees something in Marshall. &#13;
University, Dick Joskie, Winthrop hall&#13;
00:24:40&#13;
Reputation of University of WA. Memories of Curtin university. Faculty of engineering and medicine. Interesting places at UWA. Engineering. Computing at Physics. &#13;
Reputation of UWA, medicine&#13;
00:26:50&#13;
Working out how to break a high stressed beam. Wanting to prove people wrong. Transition from school to UWA. Struggling with maths at UWA. High level studies at UWA. Surviving the first year at UWA. Getting a scholarship for medicine. Completion at UWA. &#13;
Scholarship, struggling&#13;
00:31:40&#13;
Studying intently at UWA. Being inspired to work at UWA. Brian Stokes. Lesley Callor*. Fabulous people at UWA. Don Watts* is a character. Physics and Chemistry was heaven. Mathematics was a little harder. &#13;
Don watts, Brian Stokes, Lesley Callor&#13;
00:35:15&#13;
Student and senior lecturers. Medical school. Understand and learning. Examples of a T test. Memories of the left wing communists. Sue Boyd*. Memories of Prosh. Arts students were at the coffee shops. &#13;
Student, senior lecturer, medical school&#13;
00:39:00&#13;
Learning anatomy from books. Not learning Botany and taxonomy. Focus on the hard core sciences. Writing research papers and test. Not involved in guild. Involved in the university regiment. Camps and training. Teaching junior recruits. Memories of the army. and memories of being able to teach. &#13;
Learning from books, research papers, university regiment&#13;
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Reputation and pride of being at UWA. Being as good as you could get. People come to WA from oxford and Cambridge. Professor Ten Seldan.* expansion of medical school. Concerns of passing the course. Competition at UWA. Lots of practical classes. Academics working hard at UWA.&#13;
Ten Seldan, competition, medical school&#13;
00:50:30&#13;
Interests in gastroenterology. Barry Marshall and Prosh day. Not aware of hepatitis and blood squirting around at Prosh day. Medical school and specialising. Straight forward medicine. &#13;
Prosh, gastroenterology&#13;
00:54:10&#13;
Memories of surgery. Really challenging parts of surgery. Surgery was like plumbing. Skills of knowing when someone is unwell or is getting better. Thoughts of future interests. &#13;
Surgery, skills, interests&#13;
00:57:20&#13;
General surgery and brain stokes. Neurosurgery. Intensive internal medicine. Working hard and studying. Exciting prospects and getting interested in research. Not fitting in well with the academic life. &#13;
Neurosurgery, research, not fitting in&#13;
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01:00:00&#13;
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00:00:00&#13;
Each year trying to do research. surgery and obstetrics. Taking to clinical jobs. Case reports. Heat stroke in marathon runners. Gastroenterology and Robin Warren. Tom Waters. Robin spots bacteria on biopsies. Meeting Robin Warren. &#13;
Research project, Robin Warren, Tom Waters*&#13;
00:05:03&#13;
Serious pathologist. Robin happy to discuss bacteria. Stomach sterile and campylobacter. Looking at biopsies. Different strains and campylobacter. Chickens and campylobacter. Bacteria had been seen in the past. Thinking about the stomach and ulcers. Interesting research . Proving the medicals wrong. Robin finds more and more bacteria. Bacteria cant exist. Correct logic.&#13;
Campylobacter, Bacteria, stomach and ulcers, Robin finds bacteria. Bacteria cant exist&#13;
00:11:35&#13;
Looking at the records and investigating patients. Stress associated with bacteria. Gastritis. National library of medicine literary search. Classifying gastritis. Descriptions of bacteria throughout history. People are ignoring the bacteria. The technology and biopsies. Culturing the bacteria. Failure to culture bacteria in 1981. &#13;
Gastritis, ignoring the bacteria, biopsies, culturing the bacteria&#13;
00:17:11&#13;
Doing a proper study of 100 people. Questionnaires and research money. Support. Talking about the bacteria. Dr Lee. Getting closer to a successful culture. Studying 100 patients. Data and coding of findings and the study. &#13;
Studying 100 patients, data, coding of findings, study, Dr Lee&#13;
00:21:37&#13;
Culturing the bacteria. Bacteria in the Petri dish are different. Everyone who has an ulcers and bacteria. Studying the literature and information of the stomach. Duodenal ulcers. Hypothesis of a duodenal ulcer. Fitting data together and the cause of peptic ulcers. Presenting to the case rounds in Port Hedland. Alan Eggleston the senator. &#13;
Culturing the bacteria, ulcers and bacteria, Duodenal ulcers, Alan Eggleston*&#13;
00:27:38&#13;
Writing letters to the academics. Writing to the director of health Lawson Holman*. Writing an abstract for the college meeting. Sceptics of the hypothesis. Biopsy of gastritis. Len Matts.* bacteria grows in scopes. Pseudo minus. Weibo Fung, Chinese gastroenterologists. Discover of Helicobacter. Other people have skimmed over the bacteria and never made the discovery. &#13;
Lawson Holman*, sceptics, gastritis, Len Matts,* Pseudo minus, Weibo Fung*&#13;
00:33:40&#13;
Wanting to go on with studying. John Pearman*. Ulcers one of the most charismatic disease. Microbiologists are interested in bacteria. The Mayo Clinic Ian Hislop*. D ulcers and gastritis. Respecting scientific technique. Getting work on campylobacter in Fremantle hospital 1983. Peter Smith. &#13;
John Peerman, Ian Hislop, Peter Smith&#13;
00:37:27&#13;
Hitting the ground running. Submitted applications to tie up the loose ends. Writing an abstract for the Australian College of Gastroenterology. Finding a bacteria in the stomach was a complete yawn. Doing study with Ian Hislop*. Bismuth, antimony, arsenic. Curing bacteria with heavy metal. Bismuth had been used on stomach bacteria in the past. &#13;
Ian Hislop, Bismuth, curing bacteria&#13;
00:43:00&#13;
Maximising value with Robin warren. Deciding to publish together. Writing two letters. Robin knows how important the discoveries are going to be. Publishing of theory and reviewers of theory. Cannot mention that bacteria causes ulcers. Barry and the study of patients. The junior partner. &#13;
Robin Warren, Publishing of theory, bacteria causes ulcers, The junior partner&#13;
00:49:50&#13;
Failing at the Australian conference and presenting in the Brussels campylobacter conference. David McGechie*. Calling Martin Skirrow world campylobacter expert. Writing an abstract and getting funding from Fremantle Hospital.&#13;
David McGechie, Calling Martin Skirrow&#13;
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00:00:00&#13;
Off to Brussels. Fremantle was the right launching pad for Brussels. Travel grant on the cv. People were entreprenrial. Harvy Turner. Practicing the presentation. The next winner of the Americas cup Australia II. Marshall Blazer and ulcers cause all peptic ulcers. Martin Skirrow in Worcester*.&#13;
Harvey Turner, Marshall Blazer, peptic ulcers, Martin Skirrow&#13;
00:04:00&#13;
Culturing the bacteria. Describing gastritis and bacteria. Guido Tricot*. Identifying the bacteria. People going crazy at the Amsterdam hospital. Discovering bismuth as cure. Gasprocardis* are excited. People switching into Helicobacter. Many people make their career out of Helicobacter.&#13;
Guido Tricot, Gisprocardis&#13;
00:07:20&#13;
Naming of the bacteria. Campylobacter pyloridis. Winning the grand final and being heroes. Nothing better than you could do. Thinking of getting a Nobel prize. Bad luck. Projecting career and going to America. Working at Fremantle. Skirrow helps publication. Getting to know David Sharp*. &#13;
David Sharp, Skirrow, heroes&#13;
00:14:24&#13;
Publishing the paper in the lancet. Ian Munroe*. Martin Skirrow going gang busters and independent reviewer. Editing the paper to publish. Being published in the Lancet*. &#13;
Publishing, lancet, Skirrow&#13;
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00:00:00&#13;
Publication in the Lancet. NHMRC funding. Modest funding request. International recognition. People testing out the theory. People make the same findings. Result of publication in the lancet. &#13;
Publication in the Lancet, NHMRC funding, modest funding request, International recognition &#13;
00:04:10&#13;
1984 Final year of working in Fremantle hospital. Great results. Proving a pathogen. Trying to infect piglets. Problems and criticism. Decision to do a self experiment. Koch’s postulates. Getting nowhere with grants. Results of Bismuth* and Metronidazole. Secret combination. Getting over confident about curing Helicobacter.&#13;
Pathogen, self experiment, Koch’s postulates, Bismuth* and Metronidazole, curing Helicobacter&#13;
00:08:57&#13;
Treatment results on patients. Proving the pathogen. Percentage of people with Helicobacter. Brewing up for a self experiment. Drinking the mix of bugs. Results of taking the mixture. Stomach becomes paralysed and nausea and vomiting. Bacteria in the biopsies. &#13;
Treatment, Bacteria in the biopsies. &#13;
00:14:10&#13;
Robin warren is infected with Helicobacte Pylori. Memories of the experiment. Mother comments of bad breath. Results of endoscopy. Telling wife about the experiment. &#13;
Results, experiment&#13;
00:18:50&#13;
Having endoscopy to find results and taking antibiotics. End of experiment. Self cured. Medical Journal of Australia a re disappointed. Campylobacter Pyloridus and gastro duodenal disease. Clinical finding from 1983-4. An attempt to fulfil Koch’s postulates for HB P.&#13;
Self cured, Campylobacter Pyloridus and gastro duodenal disease. Clinical finding from 1983-4. An attempt to fulfil Koch’s postulates for Helicobacter Pylori&#13;
00:22:49&#13;
John Armstrong’s view of the paper An attempt to fulfil Koch’s postulates for HB P. historic evidence of gastritis and HB. William Mosley’s* book on of gastritis. Looking at all the medical books.&#13;
John Armstrong&#13;
00:27:15&#13;
Searching through the literature for proof of infection with Helicobacter Pylori. Rewriting the results An attempt to fulfil Koch’s postulates for Helicobacter Pylori. Ian Hislop’s* opposition to the theory. Lancet response to the paper in the Medical Journal of Australia. journal very highly sited. People following up of the findings. &#13;
Rewriting, Ian Hislop’s*, findings.&#13;
00:32:48&#13;
Procter and Gamble - Norwich. Peptobismol. Speaking in America and about bacteria. Getting job offers from America. Lecturing in Stanford and Dallas Texas. &#13;
Procter and Gamble, Peptobismol&#13;
00:37:04&#13;
Comparing Tagamed and Zantac. The new paradigm. Harvey Turner and breath test. Funded by NHMRC. Working back with Robin Warren and Stuart Goodwin. Getting requests to write for journals. Job offer and Procter* and gamble. Licensing patents. &#13;
Comparing Tagamed, Zantac, Harvey Turner, NHMRC, Robin Warren, Stuart Goodwin&#13;
00:43:03&#13;
Talking about going to America in 1986. Decade of development. Gaining Warren Alpert Prize. 1984 Australian findings. Presenting papers and talking to people. Result being tested around the world. Treating patients with Anti Biotics in Perth. &#13;
Warren Alpert Prize &#13;
00:47:20&#13;
Working on people for a study. Blood test for ulcers. Going to a conference in America. Being funded by NHMRC. Fake process of the double blind study. Getting result of double blind study. Proof that the antibiotics work. 4 years where nothing much happens in clinical work. &#13;
Blood test double blind study. Getting result of double blind study, proof &#13;
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1998 everyone was against Marshall. 1988 and 1991 criticised by the sceptics. Pure double blind study Bismuth Tagamed Zantac, Metronidazole. Curing most of the helicobacter patients. Published in the new English journal. Gold standard credibility. Massachusetts medical society. Funded by proctor and gamble. Advertising scams. Peptobismol kills bacteria. Little articles in the popular press. People write to Warren and Marshall for advice. Thousands of people cured in the US. 1993 things are getting out of control consensus conference in 1994. &#13;
00:04:19&#13;
The process does take a long time. generic medications. Lack of resources. Billion drug companies selling ulcer treatments. Smith, Kline and French. Competing with acid blockers. Promotional research. Tagamed. Is Zantac 5% better than Tagamed. The cure rate. Taking tablets for ulcer treatment. People shying away from helicobacter. Not mentioning helicobacter treatment. Doctors don’t hear about the new paradigm that is being swamped. &#13;
00:07:38&#13;
No research into helicobacter. Talking about Warren alpert prize. Baker award lecture. The Paul Ehrlich Medal. The Florey Medal. Not understanding what was going on. Consensus conference and the treatment of helicobacter. The Ulcer Wars documentary and the word is getting out. The in thing. The junior guys move up through the ranks. &#13;
00:10:16&#13;
Breath test company and academic industry. Supplementing income with lecturing. Getting the word out to 1000s of patients. Sacrificing career developments. Being interviewed by CNN but no one has heard of it. Important new discovery and the Warren Alpert award. What does it mean to het a prize. A prize CV. Nominating for the Nobel prize. &#13;
00:14:20&#13;
Deciding to get the prize in 1986. Nothing has happened in 10 years. People nominate for the Nobel prize. Strain in America. Moving to Perth. Awarded the AMA Hippocratic award. The Florey medal from the scientific community is a great honour. &#13;
00:17:05&#13;
Thoughts and rumours for the NP. Having dinner each year for the Nobel Prize day each time. 2005 and Robin warren is called. Being called personally. Getting the news. Doing interviews around the world for 5 hours. &#13;
00:22:27&#13;
All hell breaks lose. Alan Robson and the hero of the university. The PM Science prize. Doing TV and press. Robin Williams Norman swan and Dr Carl. Memories of the award ceremony. 10 of December prize giving. &#13;
00:26:52&#13;
Scientific and media events. Giving speech and attending the king. The massive banquet. The speech is an issue. Stressful being the Nobel laureate. Meeting the king. Robin warren has medical issues and is taken to hospital. &#13;
00:29:59&#13;
Getting prizes to lead up to the award. The Nobel committee. Being recognised all around the world. The Buchannan Medal* and The Royal Society. Descent about the Nobel. How the Nobel has changed Marshalls life. Empowered by the Nobel Prize. Not worried about rejection. Seeing the value. Valuable to have a Nobel prize winner in you state and institutions. Validating research. &#13;
00:35:05&#13;
The Marshall centre is set up. Ondek.* maintaining the brand. Experts in different fields. NP will still be valued. Maintaining the prestige of the NP. Starting up a company relating to Helicobacter. Reason on evolution for HB. Hypo allergy. HB disappearing from western society. Research into pro-biotics. The answer to use bacteria. HB is hard to transmit. Change of lifestyle. Better of with HB in childhood.&#13;
00:38:55&#13;
Super vaccine for HIV and Bird flu. The office of the NL attracting attention to UWA. K Laurie at the office of the NL. 3 international invitations ever week. Writing to the PM and the Premier. Burnet* Fellowship at UWA and looking at work and career at UWA. Looking back at experience. A great spirit at UWA an Ivy league university. Helping to continue with becoming the top 50. Contributing to the university ratings. &#13;
00:45:05&#13;
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00:00:00 Born 21 April 1947. Memories of Perth flags and flowers in the air. Family. Como South Perth. Schooling at Kent Street High School. Starting to work at UWA 1965, memories of initial pay.&#13;
00:06:50 Interest in science. Coming to the University since the age of 8. Early University Open Days. Sid Arnold and his glass blowing demonstration. The Tesla coil. Antagonist to Edison. Science experimentation. Believe in stimulating the youth of Australia. Memories of the Chancellor Award. Honorary fellow. &#13;
00:14:15 Aspirations for academia. Relying on own ability. Furthering education. Career interests and personal decisions. Interest in science and getting a job at UWA in the Physics Department. Tony Platt rejects application. Convincing Tony Platt to reconsider. Memories of Tony Platt. Wray Wright.&#13;
00:21:26 Keen and enthusiastic to get to work at UWA. Early duties at the University. Strong segregation between academics and technical staff. The team at Physics dept. Memories of Geoff Marsh and Wray Wright. &#13;
00:28:10 Defining a university. Mentioning negatives at the university. Levels of education and staff cuts. Quality of education and fees. Contracts and the loyalties to the job. Impressions of the school and the department. The quality and standard of excellence. Interesting part of the job. &#13;
00:34:15 The pleasing aspect of scientific demonstrations. The importance of making impressions. The wealth in scientific toys. Lecturers of quality. Recollections of the atmosphere of the department when the students were in attendance. Funding. &#13;
00:38:54 Fun experiences of Dr Greenhalgh. The rapport between staff and students. Bob Stanford and medical physics course. &#13;
00:46:50 The popularity of lectures and technology. The downside of the digital era. DVD courses. The impressions of the grounds and the university. Memories of the Somerville Auditorium and George White. Winthrop Hall. &#13;
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00:00:00 Centenary work for UWA. Personal stories of special pride in Winthrop Hall. School of music. Memories of Dave Greenhalgh. Organising Dave’s show and lecture demonstrations. Academic staff attitudes. Dave Greenhalgh and viewing the planet Venus in broad daylight. &#13;
00:11:54 Performance of lectures lost. Rapport with staff and students. Spot surveys. Dave Greenhalgh. Discipline of physics and the lecture technology and performance. &#13;
00:18:55 The revolution of the closed circuit TV. Development of the macro TV system. The rectal temperature of the pregnant cockroach. Memories of the televising of the landing on the moon. &#13;
00:24:55 Closed circuit colour TV. Value of the demonstration. The Black and White minstrel show.&#13;
00:29:02 Physics Department’s standing throughout Australia and around the world. Memories of John Robbins. Writing of the history of the department. Memories of John Swan.&#13;
00:37:34 Personal thoughts and keenness to learn. Stories of personal learning at UWA. Anatomy lecture and memories of an aggressive snake. &#13;
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00:00:00 Learning at your place of work. The roof of the Physics building. The transit of Venus. A social practice at the Friday night rooftop symposium. Interaction and the sharing of knowledge. The hail storm of 2010.&#13;
00:08:30 Alan Robson. The destruction of Winthrop Hall. Graduations affected by the storm. The community spirit of University. Memories of the destruction. &#13;
00:12:59 The power of nature. Ian McArthur. Good and bad heads of department. Reporting on the school. Memories of Julius Sumner Miller. 1982 visit to the building. Memories of Dick Beilby.&#13;
00:23:20 Television and Dick Beilby. Memories of John Budge (‘Budgie’), a technical officer. Personal philosophy. Workshops and the core points of the outreach programs. Stimulating children to think laterally about the wonder of the world around them. &#13;
00:32:00 Speaking to all people at the public facility of UWA. Thoughts and memories of the University open day. Alan Robson and his hopes for the university. Current place of the university on a world Academic standing. &#13;
00:37:00 Memories of Alan Gorham. The peacocks and the New Fortune Theatre. &#13;
00:42:25 Benefits of working at the University. Negatives focus on career direction. Human Resources and staff recognition. Support of staff like Ian McArthur, Bob Stanford and others for his work. &#13;
00:49:22 Memories of the Gough Whitlam era. Talking about the workshop and the research facility at the Physics Department at UWA. The precision mechanical workshop. Research projects.&#13;
00:52:58 Jim Williams and the Atom Lab. Biophysics and Tim St Pierre and non-invasive diagnosis of Iron in the liver. Bill Macklin and the hail stone lab and the wind tunnel lab. Collecting and dissecting hailstones. Researching develops. &#13;
00:58:00 Retirement and awards for work and teaching learning excellence. Carrick Institute Award and Chancellors’ Award. Honorary Fellow. Personal commitment to work for free. Overall experience of pride working at UWA. &#13;
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              <text>&lt;a href="http://oralhistories.arts.uwa.edu.au/files/original/54ea389677698c683f51b5eb434ed51c.mp3"&gt;Maschmedt, Interview 1, Track 1&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://oralhistories.arts.uwa.edu.au/files/original/d7e9f95ff075c5eadc41d38f47fcfb7e.mp3"&gt;Maschmedt, Interview 1, Track 2&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://oralhistories.arts.uwa.edu.au/files/original/4b6018717ebee8cb098ccd5bda502f63.mp3"&gt;Maschmedt, Interview 1, Track 3&lt;/a&gt;</text>
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                <text>Lance Maschmedt has worked as a Technician in the School of Physics at the University of Western Australia since 1965. He talks of his enthusiasm and keenness to work at the university following his schooling and of his feelings on coming to work at the university. He shares his opinion on how the university has changed in the last five decades and gives many passionate views on the operation and future direction of the University as he sees it today. His enthusiasm for his work is infectious and he has been keen to help several generations of students and staff. Included in the interview are his recollections of influential individuals from the department such as Professor Ian McArthur, Dave Greenhalgh, Bob Stanford and John Budge. &#13;
He has been involved in conducting workshops and outreach programs along side his work as a Chief Technician at the Undergraduate School of Physics at the University. Lance has been honoured for his work at the University holding an Honorary Fellowship, Carrick Institute Award and Chancellor’s Medal. </text>
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