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00:00:00 Born in Claremont in 1937. Family background in Victoria. Father’s army experience. Brother Jim was killed in action in WWII. Sister Betty. Intensions to join the ministry. Memories of the merchant navy and Liverpool.&#13;
00:07:40 Interest in the world. The effect of WWII. Merchant navy influence of future and career. Memories of schooling. Swanbourne and Fremantle boys. Serious thoughts of a career. UWA honours degree. Rockefeller foundation fund. UWA from 1950-4. Elders Smith’s office boy. &#13;
00:11:50 Initial impressions of UWA. Memories of economic department at UWA. Arnold Cook and Alec Kerr. &#13;
00:14:14 Memories of years of the merchant navy. Memories of Liverpool. Seeing the world Japan Panama canal. Memories of a Deck Boy. Memories of the Philippines. A damaged world directs career. Singapore and Europe in early recovery post WWII. &#13;
0018:35 Aims to help facilitate world recovery. Interest in joining the UN. Decisions to be independent. Going to UWA honours degree in economics. Interest in economics. The Rockefeller foundation and duke university. Memories of UWA. &#13;
0021:50 Sound sense of community. Memories of Alec Kerr. Arnold Cook. Inspired to work. Spending quality time of learning at UWA. Interaction and other subjects in a social science degree. &#13;
00:27:35 Encouraged to go to Duke University. Working with Spengler. The importance of the university and Joseph Spengler and economic demographer. Memories of Duke University. Wife Iris. &#13;
00:30:30 Coming back to the Australian National University department of demography. Interviewing students for a longitudinal study of British migrants and Greek migrants. Concerns of the British migrants. Migrants return. &#13;
00:35:00 Memories of ANU. Conclusions work into later career 1968. Ian Bowen* head of department. Chair of Economic History. Obtaining the new chair of Economic history. &#13;
00:38:00 The new economics building by the James oval. Memories of Sir Stanley Prescott. Prescott lays down the guidelines. Aims of the new chair of Economic History. Theoretical, historical and dimensional issues of measurement. Round understanding of economics. People involved in issues related to their interests. Economic history as a part of a trilogy. Impressions of the changed university on return in 1968. The change to the department of economics. &#13;
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00:00:00 Development of economics history. Internationalisation development of department. Attracting people to the university. Japanese studies. Professor Ghosh, Gabbay and Siddique.&#13;
00:03:00 Advertising in Asia. Understanding the UWA was different from other universities. Ron Ghosh took on a significant role at the University. Universities around Australia look at Economics department at UWA. Asian influence. The popularity of UWA for Asia.&#13;
00:07:25 Support from within the university. Travel. Seeing UWA on a global scale. Meeting people from around the world. Involved in connections with the Economic department and local business. State government and interest from big business. BHP, Wesfarmers and Woodside. Connections and involvements with business. &#13;
00:11:00 Key involvements and interest with Asia. Japanese Studies unit. The developing of a Japanese room and garden. Will facilitate Japanese Studies and learning. Development of the garden. 00:15:05&#13;
00:18:08 Memories in involvement in the International Organisation for Migration. UWA changes and unique developments compared to the eastern states. UWA deemed to be different. Fly Out Fly In Professor. Consulting with the United Nations. &#13;
00:21:50 Visitations to the UN and international involvements and conferences. Broadening of understanding of migration and emigration. &#13;
00:24:50 Developing concepts. 1981 conference in Bangkok. The way in which analysis can be used. Taking on the role of department head. Building up the department. Members of staff happy for Reg to remain in the position.&#13;
00:28:30 Memories of Professor Siddique. international flavours and the economic department develops a community within the University. International travel. The impressions of the unique development of the department. &#13;
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Interview 3&#13;
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00:00:00 Perceptions of UWA. The departments collaborate. Theoretical and direct connections. Economic Department strongly connected to developments. The erosion of the university club.&#13;
00:04:55 Economic department and self development. Internatoinisation and the international student. Growth of the international student at UWA. A plan to encourage international connections. The Fly in Fly out Professor. Realisation of developments and the ripple effect. &#13;
00:08:55 Connections with the vice chancellor. Committee meetings with sir Stanley Prescott. Important relevant issues for the growth of UWA. Limited contact with vice chancellors over 25 years. Contributions from other chancellors. &#13;
00:14:10 Allan Robson view of the university. 1982 third Asian pacific population conference. Population and ESCAP region and flows of migrant people. Lack of data and composition of workers. Strategies devised. Importance of attendance at conferences. Benefits for UWA. &#13;
00:19:09 Bureaucratisation and limitation of the development of the university. Economic development of island states in the Indian ocean. Commos and Mauritius. The Seychelles and the Maldives. 1986 conference was held in Perth. &#13;
00:25:00 The importance of the conference to the development of department of economics and the University.. Competition grows in Perth impacts of UWA. Curtin and UWA. Interaction between campuses. &#13;
00:28:45 Centre of migration studies conference in 1987. Impact in general on countries of migration. Grants obtained and the difficulty of obtaining funding. &#13;
00:30:40 Funding and the lack of money. Unpaid extracurricular activities. Intensions to develop the department on own bat. &#13;
00:33:20 Conference in Rome and trends in international migration in the 1990 and beyond. migration and asylum. International population and global movement. &#13;
00:37:50 UWA’s expansion and connections. &#13;
00:40:10 Gabbay and Ghosh touch upon the contributions brought from overseas. The beginning of the process of migration from Asia. Limit in size and the growth of students. New business school. The growth in student and staff numbers. World rankings and the university’s place. &#13;
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00:00:00 Impressions of the ranking system. Evolution of the university. Impressions of the role of the academic. Running the organisation. Research, teaching, travel and overseas contacts. &#13;
00:03:50 Academic life dominated by management and administration. The economic and non-economic factors in the dynamics of international migration. Interrelations to other topics and departments. &#13;
00:07:29 International migration in a changing world. Development factors in WA and migration. Seeing the future of migration to the future of WA. Issues of people smugglers and asylum&#13;
00:13:45 Myths and realities of migration. The passion and process of writing. The history of Trayning. &#13;
00:17:35 Member of the Scientific advisory board Lagos Nigeria. Collaboration. Foundation chair of advisory council CURTIN business school. Committee to review regional development commissions act. Busy in retirement.&#13;
00:21:40 Order of Australia medal 1999. Only one Appleyard in the Who’s who. Awarded the Hellenism award. Honorary life trustee of economic development in Australia. Acting director graduate school of management. Director centre for migration and development studies. &#13;
00:25:30 Views of the economic department at UWA today. Aspirations of rankings. UWA today. Significance of the department. Strength to become as good as possible. Technologies minimise isolation. &#13;
00:28:50 Seeing the university moving forward. Evidence of moving up the ladder of continued improvement. The US Asia centre. Leadership and focus in other parts of the world. &#13;
00:31:50 Sir Winthrop Hackett and his understanding of education. Thoughts of Sir Stanley Prescott’s opinions of the University of WA. Seeing the university in very good shape.&#13;
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00:00:00&#13;
Origins and family background leading up to career. Philip Silberstein grew up in Vienna. Born in 1920. Czechoslovakia, Hitler, England and education. Being tri lingual. Tertiary education and Australia. Leaving Europe and coming to live in Melbourne in February 1939. Junior lab assistant at the Aeronautical Research Labs. Division of forest products and substitute materials for aeroplanes. &#13;
Melbourne, Aeronautical Research Labs.&#13;
00:04:40&#13;
Engineer in aeronautics at Melbourne University. Mr Arthur Weilds*. Suggestions of career path and mathematics. &#13;
Engineer, mathematics&#13;
00:06:05&#13;
Memories of family background. Father was a pathologist. Animal experiments and teaching at the university. Memories of the laboratory and medicine. Memories of living in Vienna and the Czeck republic. And early education. Parents background. &#13;
Family, parents&#13;
00:13:33&#13;
Fondest memories in Europe. Coming out of Europe as a result of the war. Austria was in absolute turmoil. Coming to Australia and the new world. Did we find Australia very primitive. Coming out on a boat. Academics coming back to Melbourne university. Memories of Black Friday bushfires. Landing at Fremantle. Smelling the gum trees. The little village of Perth WA. Dry grass and Norfolk island pines. &#13;
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00:23:15&#13;
Career path and coming to UWA. Memories of the art gallery. Impressions. Early years in Australia. A different standard of living. Becoming stateless as a result of the war. Aliens reporting to the police. &#13;
Career, university of Western Australia&#13;
00:29:49&#13;
Graduation in 1944 and classified a technical officer and research officer. CSIRO scholarship and years in Cambridge. Exciting time and subject matter. Mathematical problems and equations for the vibration mountings for the Mustang bomber. Functional analysis Bryn Smithies*.&#13;
Graduation, CSIRO, Scholarship, Cambridge&#13;
00:35:50&#13;
Research student at Bryn Smithies had an encyclopaedic knowledge. Acceptance of the thesis and functional analysis. Working Melbourne and the Theory of Elasticity. Working on defence and dept of supply. Americans and secret information for CSIRO. &#13;
Thesis, Theory of Elasticity, CSIRO&#13;
00:40:05&#13;
Rocket analysis and aeronautical work. Arthur Weilds* and engineering work. Technical analysis. &#13;
Arthur Weilds*, technical analysis&#13;
00:44:18&#13;
Aeronautics. Consulting lab and radio telescope. Research and administrative nonsense and coming to Western Australia. &#13;
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00:00:00&#13;
Encouraged by Dr Leavy* and Larry Blakers to University of Western Australia. Coming to conferences at UWA. UWA was growing and looking for staff. Getting away from previous areas of study. Initial impressions of UWA. University housing settlement of people with similar interest. Academic community. Seeing UWA being run.&#13;
Dr. Leavy, Blakers, growing, University housing settlement&#13;
00:03:56&#13;
Memories of Sir Stanley Prescott. Running university colleges and the university board and the senate. University funding was state based. Federal government funding. Money into capital works. Non fee paying institution. WA and readjustment of fee structures. Prescott allows university to function without administered bureaucracy.&#13;
Sir Stanley Prescott, bureaucracy, federal government, funding&#13;
00:08:14&#13;
Problems with bureaucracy. Numbers of full time students. The Bursars Office and investments. The famous Number Two account. Investments secure and profit. Problems with administration. Justify use of virgin bush. Staff and the running of the university. Buying and selling a house and The Bank of NSW and UWA. Story of the house. Staff members and house deposits. &#13;
Administration, staff, students, investments&#13;
00:15:52&#13;
Interest in governance of the university. Department relationship with the Vice Chancellor. Blakers and Leavy* and Silberstein visit Prescott. Connections between the faculty and the Professorial Board and The Senate. Redrafting of the Convocation Statute. &#13;
Blakers, Leavy, Prescott, Redrafting of the Convocation Statute&#13;
00:18:15&#13;
The senate wanted to change its constitution. Long process and thought for change. Academic and staff and student tension. Balance of the senate. Elected members and ex-officiate members. The Vice Chancellor and the Director General of Education. Government nominate members. 6 members of Convocation and the 18 member senate. &#13;
Constitution, members &#13;
00:21:45&#13;
Committees made up of academic staff and admin staff. The Senate would have access to advice from outside The Senate. Convocation was cut down to 4 members as a compromise. Observation of the running of Convocation. Blakers insists to be on Convocation. The donation of prizes. Examiners meeting &#13;
Convocation, members, Blakers&#13;
00:25:15 &#13;
Introduction  to Convocation. Two levels of being on Convocation. People pay subscription every year. Trips and tours around the world. Extracurricular activities. Becoming more involved in Convocation by Bert Priest and Henry Schafer*. Personal views of what Convoctation should espouse. Unrealistic aspirations. &#13;
Bert Priest, Henry Schafer*&#13;
00:29:00 &#13;
Secretarial staff of Convocation are paid by university. Cost of administration and independence.  Furnishing the Irwin Street building. &#13;
Staff, Convocation, administration, independence&#13;
00:30:40&#13;
Problems seen. Convocation loses power. Elected members of staff take no notice of Convocation. Academic status and person views to put UWA on the right track. Members of The Senate do not want to attend meeting of the council. &#13;
Problems, power, council, members, Convocation&#13;
00:33:50&#13;
Warden of Convocation was not a member of The Senate. The Guild President and The Senate. Losing two seats. The Senate and Convocation and money. Prizes turn into medals. Financial Support of research students. Award ceremonies. Increasing the stature of Convocation. &#13;
Convocation, money, prize, The Guild, financial support&#13;
00:37:44&#13;
The prime movers and shakers of Convocation. Kit Gray* and Dorothy Ransom. Dorothy outlives most of the members of Convocation. friends of the library. The old university and other universities. &#13;
Prime movers, Kit Wray, Dorothy Ransom&#13;
00:40:40&#13;
Friends of music and the music society. Dorothy was a long supporter of the friends of the Library. Writing the history of Convocation. The Irwin street committee and the dubious venture. Sentimental attachment to that building. Replacing the Cricket Pavilion. The old Dolphin Theatre and the Engineering lab. &#13;
Music Society, Dolphin Theatre, cricket pavilion, Irwin St Committee&#13;
00:44:47&#13;
Success of the Dolphin Theatre and student control. Irwin street building and student presence. Moving the temporary building. Mark Harland* the architect. Involved with furnishing and window treatment. &#13;
Irwin St Building, Mark Harland*, fundraising&#13;
00:48:50&#13;
Heritage architect complain about the building. Heritage of the building is stretched and enormous cost. The Tuart Club. Staffing the building. Envisaging extended activities of Convocation. &#13;
Tuart Club, staffing, heritage&#13;
00:52:50&#13;
Funding of staffing and paying off ex secretarial employee.&#13;
Funding, staffing&#13;
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Track 3&#13;
00:00:00&#13;
Problems that have arisen from lack of funding. Fundraising by the alumni. Convocation prize. Cash value of prize devalues. Change of tempo and attracting funds. Volunteer bodies around the university. Completion for limited funding source. Coordination of fundraisers. Donations and tax free funds. Bursars office and uni administration.&#13;
Problems, funding, donations, administration&#13;
00:05:20&#13;
Social event and fundraising events. Cost of functions. 50 year reunions. Successful occasions and archives. Functions and overseas trips have been phased out. Academic backgrounds are valuable. Invited to tours. &#13;
Social event, tours, reunions&#13;
00:09:45&#13;
Keeping convocation alive. Scholarships and sources of travel funding. Kingsley Dickson and tissue cultures. Verbal report and functions. Kingsley serves on the standing committee. Student that benefits that gives back.&#13;
Kingsley Dickson, student benefits&#13;
00:12:50&#13;
Committees and voluntary involvements. Friends of The Festival. Convocation initiated friends of the university library and other initiatives. Dr Austen* and Dr James. Enthusiasm wanes.  Attracting more members. Pauline Tremlett. Benefitting and collaborating from fundraising activities. &#13;
Committees, Pauline Tremlett, enthusiasm, Dr Austen, Dr James&#13;
00:17:16&#13;
Exchanging information. Arranging to collate information about meetings. And a diary of events. Administrative. Pauline Tremlett. &#13;
Pauline Tremlett, events&#13;
00:19:40&#13;
The role of convocation and the Dawkins minister for education. The Tertiary Education Scheme. Vice Chancellor Bob Smith. Expressing concerns. Instructions on high. Politicians and assurances. Influencing education policy. The only way con can be effective. Quality of the members and warden. Susan Baker working for CSIRO impresses the Senate. &#13;
Susan Baker, CSIRO, Dawkins, Tertiary Education Scheme, Bob Smith, politicians&#13;
00:25:17&#13;
Committee and convocation having a significant effect. Affect on fundraising. The impact of convocation. Higher profile of convocation. Involvement with particular groups. Importance of sport. The Sport Award. John Invervarity. Convocation has some status. &#13;
Committee, fundraising, sport award&#13;
00:28:45&#13;
Convocation role has been extended. Convocation at Murdoch declared defunct. Convocation at UWA is there for keeps. The tradition of UWA will keep Convocation alive. Being seen as a benefactor. Summing up time on Convocation. Redrafting the constitution. Two elected members and the Warden.  &#13;
Tradition, redrafting the constitution, Murdoch&#13;
00:33:28&#13;
Getting to the Senate through the registrar. Time wasted in making progress. University and the computerisation of records. Software needed and the production of programme. Describing the body of graduates and the reputation of the university. A first rate university and the quality of graduates. Looking after the body – Convocation. &#13;
Computerisation, reputation, &#13;
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              <text>Interview 1: Wednesday 12 June 2013&#13;
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00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
00:37	&#13;
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Track 2	&#13;
00:00	1958 – Peter is aged 17. Applies for job at UWA. Had junior certificate. Was employed by Telematic Developments – worked on inter communication and recording devices.&#13;
01:28	Saw advertisement for lab assistant in Department of Engineering. Called in for interview. A queue of about 10 people waiting to be interviewed. Interviewed by Reader, Keith Taplin.&#13;
02:40	Behind him was a large clock. Clunked every 30 seconds. It was a Master Clock.&#13;
03:30	Handed to Mr Howard Bundell who took him around the labs. In the workshop he was asked to use a brand new drill to drill a hole in brass. Peter passed the test as he asked to blunt the drill.&#13;
04:52	Duly offered the job, had a compulsory X-ray to show he was TB free. Started the job just after Easter in 1958&#13;
05:18	&#13;
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Track 3	&#13;
00:00	Original department of engineering was near Shenton House and the dairy was used to house a compressor. Civil, Mechanical and Electrical engineering were all together and housed in buildings that had been used by the US army in the second world war to house the Catalina flying boats.&#13;
01:19	Peter’s job was to put out the lab equipment. Lectures were in the morning and labs in the afternoon. The labs used machines that were once used in industry.&#13;
02:20	The DC machines came from the Collie coal mines. They were full of coal dust.&#13;
02:51	Afternoon tea was taken in the lab and staff and students sat down together while Peter made preparations for the next part of the lab experiments.&#13;
03:21	The DC current which was used to power the machines was a generator which came from the Waroona milk factory. They donated it to the university went they went over to AC current. Peter believes the generator is still housed in the basement of the new department of electrical engineering near Fairway.&#13;
03:04	&#13;
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Track 4	&#13;
00:00	Peter was treated very well by staff and students. Being the young apprentice he had the menial jobs and tricks played on him&#13;
01:04	In his previous job Peter worked at various jobs around town and was not treated that way. People thought it was a ‘black art’. It was a dramatic change to work at UWA where the students were the same age as him. He even knew some of them. &#13;
01:41	He joined the Engineers Club and initiated along with all the other first year engineers.&#13;
02:02	A wonderful atmosphere – no distinct divide between staff and students. Small student numbers: 9-13. &#13;
02:42	The first female electrical engineering students would have joined in the mid-70s. There was no barrier, it just didn’t happen. Women have proved very good at design work.&#13;
03:40	The female staff was mainly clerical and administrative. In the 1970s, female lecturing academics joined&#13;
04:09	The department has grown hugely. Peter knew about valves and then the semi-conductor was brought into production (a transistor). It rocked his knowledge to the foundations&#13;
05:15	The university degree course was more academic but in the early days the practical side was stressed. Students had to spend 3 months of their final year in industry.&#13;
06:28	Engineering students had to know a little bit about civil, mechanical and electrical in order to be able to work with each other. Today there are much more specialised. The recent mining boom has put a lot more emphasis on practical skills again.&#13;
07:31	&#13;
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Track 5	&#13;
00:00	Peter had to work for other departments. They would pool equipment or machinery. One of Peter’s early jobs was to do the amplification in halls and lecture theatres which didn’t have built in sound systems.&#13;
00:54	Peter had to lower down high quality RCA microphones through the ceiling of Winthrop Hall to record symphony concerts.&#13;
01:31	It also included functions all over the university inside and outside. There was a sound shell at the Somerville Auditorium. Peter had to climb up the very tall pine trees to put up directional microphones or loud speakers &#13;
02:43	George Munns the groundsman was in charge of the grounds and did not appreciate Peter driving his Morris Minor full of sound equipment over his pristine lawns.&#13;
03:33	There are still sand buckets in the roof of the old Chemistry Building to put out incendiary bombs during WW2. They were also in the top of Winthrop Hall.&#13;
04:20	The new Arts Building had its own built in sound system. From the 1970s there was no need to take equipment into the lecture theatres to record sound.&#13;
05:33	Peter was asked to set up the sound for when PM Menzies delivered a talk in the old Ref Building at the official opening. Peter recorded the audio for the UWA archives. At the finish of the lecture the Commonwealth Police confiscated the tape to check it was all bona fide.&#13;
07:10	&#13;
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00:00	Peter also recorded the occasion of the Royal Visit on 25 March 1963 in Winthrop Hall. Security was all vetted before the visit, including background checks on Peter himself.&#13;
01:43	Peter was concentrating so hard on making sure that the quality of the audio was good, that he does not remember the content of the Queen’s speech!&#13;
02:37	Another occasion was a graduation ceremony in Winthrop Hall. Sir Alex Reid was addressing the gathering. He kept moving the mike to one side of the lectern. Keith Taplin insisted that Peter walk down the aisle in the middle of the ceremony and move the microphone. He had to do this three times during the ceremony!&#13;
04:08	The tapes were large 12 inch studio quality reels. The tapes came from Atkins Carlyle who was the representatives for Phillips. The microphones were American – Shaw Brothers. The RCA microphone was like a sausage and was suspended from the ceiling at Winthrop Hall.&#13;
06:13	&#13;
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Track 7	&#13;
00:00	The department used to put on exhibitions to the public and prospective students. The engineering exhibition was a big affair and they tried to have a spectacle and a theme. One year Peter made a large Tesla coil 6 feet x 18 inches. He got to draw out a large electrical arc.&#13;
02:14	Children were given 30 watt fluorescent tubes to carry around. These lit up as they approached the tesla coil.&#13;
02:40	Later in the evening, a PMG detection van turned up because the tesla coil was causing chaos to the television reception in Nedlands!&#13;
03:10	&#13;
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Interview 2: Wednesday 26 June 2013&#13;
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Track 1	&#13;
00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
00:40	&#13;
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Track 2	&#13;
00:00	Interaction with students. Initiation into Engineering in the old Broadway Picture Theatre&#13;
01:08	Socials held in Winthrop Hall – before the organ was installed. The Engineers Ball was held here each year. Also graduation ceremonies.&#13;
02:49	The Undercroft was used for bbqs and social gatherings. At one stage it was not enclosed.&#13;
03:20	The intake of overseas students caused a shift in culture, food styles and social activities.&#13;
04:00	No liquor outlets on campus. Alcohol was banned from the campus but the students managed to get around this!&#13;
04:30	Pranks in graduation ceremony when sheep were driven in. Students made ghostly noises through the glass in Winthrop Hall.&#13;
06:09	Cacti garden in Engineering Garden turned into “Cacti Nicotini” garden.&#13;
07:28	Stolen road roller caused damage and ended up crashed into the Reflection Pool.&#13;
08:22	Rivalry between engineers and lawyers. The tug of war. &#13;
11:00	The bath tub race on the Swan River was very popular but upset the Swan River Trust when bath tubs sank in the river.&#13;
13:26	PROSH is another student tradition. It used to take the form of a parade through Perth.&#13;
15:09	The medical students took materials from Robbs Jetty and threw that around. The Engineering truck threw water melons. Peter rode an eccentric wheeled bicycle. One time a medical student hit Peter on his German helmet with a cow bone and knocked him out.&#13;
19:28	&#13;
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Track 3	&#13;
00:00	The rural aspect of the campus. It was smaller. Many buildings from WW2. Sheep kept in an enclosure near Shenton House. Along Fairway there was bush and cows. The groundsmen had a stable for their work horse. Rabbits were a huge problem.&#13;
03:12	One of Peter’s jobs was to set non-lethal possum traps. They would be released but would find their way back.&#13;
03:56	In later years the peacocks were introduced. They would fly around campus and interrupt ceremonies with their loud calls.&#13;
05:11	The Engineering building took over most of the bush between James Oval and Fairway. Demand for electricity on campus meant that a substation had to be built on campus.&#13;
06:00	Gradually the campus became built up and the bushland disappeared.&#13;
06:30	There were workshops situated on the southern end of campus – carpenters, electricians, plumbers, painters, and a sign writer. The university used to be able to maintain itself.&#13;
09:27	&#13;
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Track 4	&#13;
00:00	Research included trying to solve problems such as global warming and pollution and solution such as electric powered motor vehicles, solar cells and wind turbines.&#13;
02:42	UWA helped the Museum of WA with their 1910 Brougham electric motor vehicle&#13;
03:41	An experimental electric motor was also fitted on a mini van especially with regard to improving the efficiency of acceleration and braking. This project was led by Dr Leary in the mid-1970s.&#13;
04:45	These experiments are continuing today with a Lotus sports car&#13;
05:59	The department has done experimentation with solar cells that were on the roof to test for efficiency. This project was led by John Livingstone.&#13;
06:46	Vertical wind turbines were another project. They were made in the workshops and installed at the switch yard terminals at Ballajura. It was later moved to Buckland Hill and was there until the tail end of a cyclone destroyed it. The horizontal wind turbine has proved to be a better design.&#13;
09:31	&#13;
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Track 5	&#13;
00:00	When Peter first came to UWA the department were working on a project to design and build a computer to assist with the simulation of distribution of power in the south west. Howard Bundell and Duncan Steven christened it TAC (Transformer Analogue Computer). The three banks of equipment were as big as a bedroom wardrobe. &#13;
02:22	Vacuum tubes were used then semi-conductors. Then printed circuits made possible the reduction in size of electronic equipment. Lasers became very useful in nearly every field.&#13;
03:29	Calculators were very simplistic in the early days. The first electronic calculator could only display 3 digits at a time.&#13;
04:45	Robotic machinery has become very useful now. All these technological changes have taken place since Peter started work at UWA.&#13;
05:35	UWA had a lot of interaction with universities in Australia and around the world. For a small university it has a good reputation in this field.&#13;
07:08	&#13;
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00:00	Retirement in 2007. The retirement booklet with photos of all the staff many holding banners saying “Happy Retirement”. James Wong in the computer section did the cartoons.&#13;
02:10	Feels very lucky to have spent his life at UWA. He thought of leaving for a better job with more money several times but the work, the people and the environment at UWA were too good to leave. Towards the end, bureaucracy was starting to creep in and this was a little bit frustrating.&#13;
03:25	It was a very social department at times. Peter considers Yianni Attikouzel to have been a very good head of department.&#13;
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              <text>Interview 1: Thursday 6 December 2012&#13;
Track 1	&#13;
00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
00:30	&#13;
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Track 2	&#13;
00:00	Peter Robert Handford. Winthrop Professor, Law School, UWA. Born Birmingham 29 October 1946. &#13;
00:16	Took 11 plus and went to Grammar School. Offered a place at King Edwards School aged 13. Direct grant school – equivalent to Perth Modern School. There from September 1960 to July 1965.&#13;
01:59	Went to Birmingham University to read law. Graduated in 1968. &#13;
02:52	1968 graduated with LLB. Formed intention to get an academic job. Applied for and got a place at Cambridge for a postgraduate degree. Did 1 year of course work and 1 year of research&#13;
03:56	At the end of 1970 took a position as a lecturer at Leicester University. Thesis turned into PhD and graduated in 1975.&#13;
04:36	English degree is normally 3 years and is a straight law degree. Did more working and studying alone. Clear difference between academic and professional stage. Attend a college of law to be a solicitor followed by articles. Academic and professional stages in Australia are not so separated. Also more common in England for students to go to university away from their home town.&#13;
07:39	Studied at Trinity Hall in Cambridge. Very good reputation. Got Thomas Waraker Law Postgraduate Scholarship.&#13;
08:15	Got a job at Leicester University which was a small university with a new law school (started in 1966). Now a very big and very successful law school. Twelve staff. There from 1970-1978. Then left to come to UWA.&#13;
09:28	Leicester University was one of 30 law schools. Oxford, Cambridge, London at the top. Warwick was another new law school. A lot of polytechnics that had law courses were upgraded to universities. This made 80-90 law schools. The old established law schools from the 1970s and 1980 are better regarded.&#13;
11:29	&#13;
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Track 3	&#13;
00:00	Entitled to a term of study leave after 6 years at Leicester University (1976-77). Peter elected to take the summer term off and join a university in Australia or NZ. Also had an offer from University of Auckland. &#13;
02:27	Attracted to WA and knew it was developing and had a good cricket team.&#13;
03:04	Accepted UWA offer to teach for 6 months. Arrived in March 1977. Married with 2 children. Family arrived a few weeks later.&#13;
04:35	Looked after by Professor Douglas Payne. Watched the conclusion of the Centenary Test match at his home. Got some vacation time in between that enable him to tour the Eastern States.&#13;
06:00	Originally came for 6 months but he and his family enjoyed Perth. A job was on offered and he applied for it and was offered it without an interview. Returned to England in October 1977 and emigrated in June 1978. By now Peter had 3 children. He was able to teach the second term of July 1978.&#13;
08:09	When Peter was on study leave he stayed in a town house at Kingswood College. When they came back in 1978 the family stayed in a university house in Caporn Street. Then they rented a house for 6 months from Peter Johnston while he was on study leave. They bought a house in Hardy Street, Nedlands and then moved to Wembley. Nedlands was too expensive for an academic salary.&#13;
10:47	The Tuart Club loaned them some furniture and equipment on both occasions.&#13;
12:42	First impressions of UWA. Bright and beautiful. Winthrop Hall was like a cathedral. Leicester University was smaller and not so spectacular. 1960s buildings. UWA Law School going since 1928 – more solidly established and more akin to University of Birmingham.&#13;
15:30	The campus made a definite impression plus positive impressions of Perth. Like being on holiday. Loaned a car and were able to tour around.&#13;
16:21	&#13;
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Track 4	&#13;
00:00	UWA Law School in 1977/78. Quota of 110 students a year. 4 year course. Birmingham had 100 students in Peter’s graduation year and UWA had 40.&#13;
02:03	Located opposite Arts Building. Law Link was not there and the open space was where students played cricket. Economics and Commerce moved out 2-3 years ago and Law spread into their space. &#13;
03:13	19 staff members. 4 support staff. The student common room is now the Moot Hall. Law lecture theatre has been realigned and tiered. Staff Library is now a tutorial room and the staff library is in the Law Link Building.&#13;
05:12	The Law Library an integral part of the Law School. In Leicester it was part of the general library. The library has been extended outwards toward the Oak Lawn.&#13;
06:23	Dean was Professor Eric Edwards taught Criminal Law and Evidence. Taught the American way. Prof Douglas Payne had come out from England in 1963 to take over from Professor Beasley. He was Dean until 1970 until unseated. There were not 3-5 year appointments in those days.&#13;
09:12	Two Associate Professors. Richard Harding later became full professor and Dean in 1981. Francis Auburn came in 1978. Retired in about 2000.&#13;
10:34	6 senior lecturers. Louis Proksch, Neville Crago. Louis was Dean 1981-1984. Two Englishmen. About half were English trained. &#13;
11:56	Not so hard to transfer between England and Australia. Australian law founded on English law. Constitutional law is different.&#13;
12:44	Frank Rixon taught tax and company law. A hard marker. Anthony Dickey taught jurisprudence and then became expert in family law. Peter Johnston taught constitutional law and also practised. Robert French a graduate who has had a distinguished career. Les Stein taught planning law.&#13;
15:06	A number of other lecturers were Derek Chantler (commercial); Stephen Owen-Conway; Val McAuliffe (nee Kerruish) (jurisprudence and conflict of laws). Peter Handford replaced her when on study leave. First female academic appointed to law school. Bill Ford (originally law school librarian); Dean from 2001-2011. Tony Wilson temporary lecturer taught property. Liza Newby was a tutor (criminology). Picked Peter up from the airport.&#13;
18:08	There had tutors on temporary appointments. Andrew Alston and Stan Jacobsen had been replaced when Peter returned permanently by Jeremy Allanson and Robin Tapper.&#13;
18:40	Librarians in the law library. The situation of Bill Ford.&#13;
20:27	&#13;
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Track 5	&#13;
00:00	The structure of the law degree in 1977-78. Explanation of articles.&#13;
03:40	Big change in education in WA in 1970. Restricted practice introduced after admission.&#13;
04:55	Discussion of American system. UWA law school took over exams. Practice and procedure. Commercial practice. &#13;
07:24	This system changed in 1990. Joint degrees.&#13;
09:10	New system from 2013 will be the JD. &#13;
10:24	Subjects studied in the law degree. Full units and half units. Optional units.&#13;
11:58	Discussion of semesterisation&#13;
13:11	Teaching methods – lectures and tutorials. Impact of increased students. Need to go to venues outside the law school for lectures.&#13;
14:31	The practical element of the law course. Drafting documents. Many teachers are legal practitioners who come in and teach part time.&#13;
15:09	Vacation clerkships. Time poor to take advantage of study and university life generally.&#13;
16:33	&#13;
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Track 6	&#13;
00:00	The students. Mix of matured aged people. President of Blackstone Society, Stephen Smith, now Minister of Defence. Unlike England where students scattered to the four winds. In Perth, you bump into ex-students on the Terrace.&#13;
03:02	Male/female mix. Not so great a number of female students in the 1970s. Mary Ann Yeats. Famous graduates were Christine Wheeler, Carmel McLure. In the 1990s female students eclipsed male students.&#13;
05:22	Attempts by UWA to get more mix in student intake. Dux scheme and Aboriginal bridging course.&#13;
06:59	Traditional rivalry with the Engineering faculty going back for generations.&#13;
07:57	Blackstone Society. Dinners.&#13;
08:54	R U Barking – pub crawl. The event no longer takes place. &#13;
10:34	Guild Council – Robert French, Jim McGinty. Daryl Williams was Guild President. &#13;
11:30	PROSH – seems to happen away from the Law School.&#13;
12:18	Sport. Alan Barblett – Olympic hockey. Rebecca French.&#13;
13:34	Time and financial pressure means activities outside study are less common. 1960s &amp; 1970s the Golden Years of being a student. &#13;
15:07	Class times. Classes generally between 8am and 6pm. LLM classes held at weekends or in the evening or intensively. There are repeat lectures and several different class times on a subject during the day.&#13;
16:45	&#13;
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Track 7	&#13;
00:00	Conclusion&#13;
00:15	&#13;
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Interview 2: Thursday 13 December 2012&#13;
Track 1	&#13;
00:00	Introduction by Julia Wallis&#13;
00:30	&#13;
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Track 2	&#13;
00:00	The period from July 1978 to May 1983. Full time member of the staff of the Law School. Anthony Dickey elected Dean in 1979. 3 way contest for this position at this time. Anthony Dickey wanted to appoint a Sub Dean who had a particular responsibility for students. Before the Dean had done everything. PRH was the first Sub Dean from January 1979 to 1982. &#13;
03:13	Duties to deal with student queries of all sorts; exams; admissions; advising the Barristers’ Board. Law School advised on overseas qualifications.&#13;
04:22	After a couple of years an office was created for the Sub Dean.&#13;
05:52	PRH taught many subjects filling in for other people. In 1980 he was teaching 5 different subjects. He also did research and published papers.&#13;
05:23	Attempted to gain promotion from lecturer to senior lecturer. Had to be at the university for 3 years. The Dean and Professor Payne advised him to apply for promotion a year earlier but he was rejected (Due to the 3 year rule). Rule 2 meant that he was unable to apply for another 2 years. He duly reapplied in 1981 and was rejected as it was felt that he had not done enough to show progress since the original application in 1979.&#13;
08:12	PRH then stepped down as Sub Dean in order to do more researching and writing. An alternative job came up as Executive Officer of the Law Reform Commission of Western Australia&#13;
08:55 PRH had applied for and was offered a job here in 1979 as Research Officer but this would have meant that he could not return to the UK in 1981 (when he had planned to return and do study leave).&#13;
09:52	He was interviewed on Christmas Eve 1982 and was offered the job. PRH had to work out 6 months’ notice. The new Dean Richard Harding allowed PRH to do part time teaching in order to take up this position after the first term.&#13;
11:19	As from May 1983 PRH left UWA for the Law Reform Commission.&#13;
11:33	In 1981 PRH was entitled to 6 months study leave after three years working at UWA and returned to the University of Leicester. It was like going back to his old life. He also did some part time teaching. The family travelled back on the eve of the Royal wedding (29 July 1981). One of the coldest winters on record. Encouraged the family to return to Perth for good in May 1983.&#13;
14:23	&#13;
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Track 3	&#13;
00:00	May 1983 to February 1998 – Law Reform Commission (15 years)&#13;
01:40 Did not lose connection with Law School as he continued to teach. He finished teaching Legal Process in 1983 and he was asked to continue and did so for 15 years until he gave this up in 2007. From time to time, he was asked to do other teaching for the Law School such as Comparative Law, Conflict of Laws and Torts. He retained a room at the Law School as a part time teacher. Present at the Law School for 2-3 hours a week.&#13;
04:06	This had advantages to both work places. He also visited schools on behalf of the Law Reform Commission.&#13;
05:15	1980s was a productive time for Law Reform. From 1990 it became more difficult. There were a number of reviews and the Commission was under budgetary scrutiny and positions were gradually cut back. Four legal positions were lost.&#13;
05:55	In 1998 PRH returned to UWA.&#13;
06:09	&#13;
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Track 4	&#13;
00:00	Returned to the full time staff of the University in 1998. The 1990s were difficult years at the Law Reform Commission.&#13;
00:41	1992-1995 good relations with Cheryl Edwardes – an ex student. 1993-1995 PRH also became a member of the Commission.&#13;
01:28	At the end of 1995, there was a Cabinet reshuffle and Peter Foss was appointed Attorney-General. He did not support the Law Reform Commission. He refused to renew the appointments of PRH and Carmel McClure who were due for reappointment at the end of 1995. &#13;
03:27	Three new members were then appointed - Wayne Martin, Ralph Simmonds, Robert Cock. They had a plan for reorganising the Commission and contracting out the work, shedding staff and dismantling the library.&#13;
04:12	This was a difficult period. From the middle of 1997 they were taking the Commission down and trying to find jobs for the staff. The highest up the totem pole was PJH and it was made clear to him that there was no comparable position for him in the public service. He applied for various academic positions interstate and overseas. &#13;
05:48	By the end of 1989/early 1990 he had a 25% fractional appointment at UWA. Before this he was paid casual rates. The current Dean, Ian Campbell, offered to turn this into a full time position. PRH returned as a full time member of staff at the UWA Law School in February 1998.&#13;
06:49	It was a seamless transition after the trauma of disbanding the LRC.&#13;
08:15	He came back as a senior lecturer. Ironically a word in the ear of the Dean in 1989 gave him promotion to at the stroke of a pen.&#13;
09:24	During his time at the LRC he had continued research and writing. He wrote a book with Nicholas Mullany on nervous shock. It was published in 1993.&#13;
10:49	This was done in a time before email and internet and drafts were handwritten. Things have changed a lot in 20 years.&#13;
11:10	This academic track record helped him to get back to UWA and to gain promotion to Associate Professor in 1999 and 5 years later (2004) to Professor.&#13;
11:58	He carried on teaching Legal Process and Torts. Has been back at the Law School for 15 years and is about to go fractional again as he winds down towards retirement.&#13;
12:47	There had been changes to the structure and syllabus of the degree. There had been changes made in 1990 to enable joint degrees. Murdoch Law School had opened. This system is about to change in 2013.&#13;
15:17	Move to semester length subjects.&#13;
16:16	Greater emphasis on exams – now an exam at the end of each semester rather than just at the end of the year. Also more emphasis on non-exam assessment. &#13;
18:50	The new course structure is also based on units lasting for a semester. Starting in 2012 every student does an undergraduate degree – BA, BSc, BComm, Bachelor of Design and Bachelor of Philosophy. Anything leading to a professional degree is now studied at postgraduate level.&#13;
20:36	Teaching methods had also changed. Ian Campbell the Dean in 1996 wanted more emphasis on small group teaching. Blueprint. 7 new appointments in order to run this program.&#13;
21:54	This indirectly led the Law School into financial difficulties. Bill Ford, the next Dean had to sort out the budgetary problems which he did very well.&#13;
22:32	The emphasis on small group teaching was to improve the educational experience. Torts are taught this way and sometimes Legal Process. It is two way teaching rather than an overblown tutorial. It works well but it is expensive.&#13;
24:36	&#13;
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Track 5	&#13;
00:00	Syllabus had remained the same from 1990 to present. Administrative Law and Corporations Law that were once optional are now compulsory. This is due to the Priestley 11. Commercial practice is not part of the Priestley 11 but due to the fact that in the 1970s the Law School agreed to teach more practical subjects.&#13;
01:39	Some new compulsory areas will be introduced into the new JD such as Remedies, Legal Theory and Dispute Resolution. (Ethics is already a compulsory unit). UWA feels that these are essential subjects.&#13;
02:29	In 1998 there were more optional units such as Intellectual Property, Environmental Law, Corporate Finance and International Trade Law.&#13;
03:13	The LLM programme had been introduced since JRH was at UWA in the early 1980s. THE LLM is taught intensively at weekends or during a week. Centres of Expertise include mining energy and natural resources law and criminal justice.&#13;
04:47	The market for Taxation as a specialist subject has now disappeared.&#13;
04:58	Other changes included the way students study due to technological developments. The Law Library is excellent but now many of these resources can be found online. There is a wider selection of journals available now due to online resources.&#13;
07:20	Searching the sources can be done in hours rather than days.&#13;
07:50	Emails mean that it is easier to keep in touch but this can also be a burden. A lot course material is on the internet and each course has its own website. No printed material is given out to students any more.&#13;
08:37	UWA Law School has no virtual classrooms as yet. Lecturers are recorded. They can be shown in business centres at regional centres. Discussion groups and bulletin boards can take place online.&#13;
09:55	Some universities market online degrees. UWA prefers to have face to face contact with the students.&#13;
10:45	UWA is trying to increase places in colleges and accommodation near the University to provide a 24/7 university experience.&#13;
11:33	Fewer students attend lectures now as they can listen to lectures online. Staff discuss the pros and cons of this. The university is very keen to record lecture to help students who cannot attend but they don’t want this to take the place of contact on campus.&#13;
12:30	Attendance records are not always taken so it is hard to know who is attending but some classes are marked for turning up and participating. The best solution is to make the lectures so interesting that the students are keen to attend in person.&#13;
13:45	&#13;
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Track 6	&#13;
00:00	Several units don’t have exams at all. Assessment is by means of class participation; take home exercise or research essays instead. When PRH arrived at UWA in 1977 he was struck by the fact that assessment was much more flexible than in the UK.&#13;
01:52	Exams in the Law School are anonymous. The rest of the university does not do this. It works very well in the Law School.&#13;
02:33	As more students are part time there is more demand for units to be completed over a longer period. Sometimes they want to defer units to go on exchange. Now students have to pass a certain number of subjects in the degree course however long it takes. There is much more flexibility now.&#13;
05:09	Exams have to be taken in one, or two rooms, altogether. There is great pressure on venues as all faculties have more students – including law. Special consideration can be given to students who have a clash due to other courses.&#13;
06:32	The results are sent to the students electronically. No longer are results posted on board exposed to public view. Staff don’t get a pass list so they often don’t know all the results for the students they teach.&#13;
09:10	The other law schools in Perth operate in a similar fashion. From 2013 there will be 5th law school when Curtin opens. Murdoch started in 1990 and then Notre Dame (1997) and then Edith Cowan. All of the others will be running law at undergraduate level. It will be interesting to see how the competition pans out. They accept lower ATAR scores than UWA.&#13;
11:56	There has been a great change in supply and demand for lawyers over the years. In 1977, UWA was the only law school and operated a quota system of 110 so as not to over supply graduates for the legal profession. 90% of graduates used to get admitted to practice.&#13;
13:47	When it was found that UWA graduates were getting job, the quota expanded. In the 1990s, there was actually a shortage of lawyers.&#13;
14:36	The situation has now turned around. Once Curtin comes online there could be 800 graduates and there will not be jobs for them all. Competition for jobs is very fierce. Articles are dropping away as they cannot all get positions.&#13;
16:06	Luckily a law degree can give you a good grounding. Graduates can become diplomats or join a corporation as an in-house lawyer, work as a journalist or an administrator, etc. etc.&#13;
16:52	&#13;
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Track 7	&#13;
00:00	Full Professor since 2004. Used to only have 3 professors. Had a spell as higher degrees coordinator from 2001-2007.&#13;
01:11	Study leave in 2008. Gave up teaching Legal Process. Became Deputy Dean around 2005 or 2006. Bill Ford was the Dean, Richard Bartlett was Deputy Dean but then went part time.&#13;
02:35	From 2007 Bill Ford asked PRH to work on curriculum changes to move towards the JD degree. Peter Creighton had been responsible for this but it was not implemented when UWA began to move in the same sort of direction.&#13;
04:10	In 2007 or 2008 Peter Creighton left and PRH was asked to take over the implementation of the new course. The fact that he was Deputy Dean dovetailed into this new role. A Committee was appointed to assist PRH about 2 years ago and they are now in the final stages of finalising the new curriculum with the introduction of the Juris Doctor in 2013. &#13;
05:35	PRH then also became Associate Dean of Teaching and Learning. This role deals with curriculum issues generally, student problems and exams. Every faculty has to have a number of people that mirror the way that the university is structured. Law is one of the smallest faculties, so has fewer people to do the jobs but still has to provide staff to do them.&#13;
06:41	In addition to the Associate Dean of Students there is an Associate Dean of Teaching and Learning. It is expected that the Associate Dean of Teaching and Learning sits on the University Committee and becomes part of that structure.&#13;
07:03	There is also an Associate Dean of Research who spearheads research at the Law School and also sits on the university committee.&#13;
07:21	The higher degrees coordinator deals with students doing PhDs and other research degrees. Similarly they also sit on the university higher degrees committee.&#13;
07:48	This new system is partially a response to the increasing number of students and partially because of the university’s new and more elaborate administrative structure.&#13;
08:15	PRH handed Associate Dean of Teaching and Learning to Mark Israel who was appointed a Professor at the UWA Law School in 2010 but maintained responsibility for curriculum reform.&#13;
09:02	In 2012 new undergraduate units were introduced. Law &amp; Society was taught as part of the BA and Business Law as part of the BComm.&#13;
09:28	All the curriculum development including Masters degrees were part of PJH’s responsibility until this year (2012). &#13;
10:02	PRH has indicated that from 2013 he will be going to factional teaching 0.4. The new Dean from 2011 was Stuart Kaye and PRH was Deputy Dean for the first year or so. Stuart has a different sort of person in mind for Deputy Dean in the hope that the functions previously carried out by the Dean, will now become the role of the Sub Dean (such as organisational teaching which PRH did). The Deputy Dean will be a much more full-time position and consequently only a half time teaching load.&#13;
11:10	In September 2012, PRH will no longer be Deputy Dean and will then go to part-time teaching – about 3 hours a week.&#13;
11:39	&#13;
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Track 7	Deans at the UWA Law School&#13;
The official list on the plaque includes two periods when there was an Acting Dean&#13;
00:00	1928-1963	Frank Beasley&#13;
1964	Eric Edwards&#13;
1964-1970	Douglas Payne&#13;
1971-1975	Eric Edwards &#13;
1975-1976	Ian McCall&#13;
1976-1978	Eric Edwards&#13;
1979-1981	Anthony Dickey&#13;
1982-1983	Richard Harding&#13;
1984-1986	Louis Proksch&#13;
1987-1989	Jim O’Donovan&#13;
1990-1992	Stan Hotop&#13;
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00:00	Peter John Grigg was born on 7 June 1925. He started his schooling at Darlington State School aged 6 and then went to Hale School. He joined the Royal Australian Navy in 1942. Peter’s older brother was an architectural student and he had thought that he could do engineering and work with him but he was killed at Kokoda. Peter’s father was a builder. At the end of the Second World War, Peter returned to Perth Technical College to do his matriculation. He got an Associate in Architecture from Perth Tech and became involved with various committees for the Royal Institute of Architects, especially on the practice committee. Because of this involvement, in 1971 he was invited by Roger Johnson who was the Reader and Acting Head of the School of Architecture at UWA, to become visiting lecturer for professional practice in the Fifth year.&#13;
06:00	The head of the school at Perth Technical College was Bill Robbie. The course involved construction, the history of architecture, plumbing, wood working, cabinet making, architecture drawing and drafting. Practical classes were held at Leederville Technical College on brick laying, timber work and painting. It was a very practical approach to architecture. Peter graduated in 1954 and started work at Cameron Chisholm and Nichol. Then he moved to Oldham Boas &amp; Ednie-Brown where he remained for some years. He did commercial and residential work. Peter assisted with the drawings for South Fremantle Power Station. It was a strict brief. Structural engineers were involved in the project as well. The drawings were done manually on tracing paper or on fine linen that was used for drafting. All the drawing was done by hand in the days before computers.&#13;
11:23	Studio sessions at UWA consisted of a student being set a problem such as designing a 2 bedroom apartment. In those days sketch plans were submitted for the client’s approval. Peter taught the students professional practice in the 5th year and the law in relation to professional practice and contract drawings. This continued when he was a full-time member of staff. He lectured on the responsibilities of the architect at common law and contract law. Parallel to that, Peter taught second year studio work in simple design programmes. He also lectured in building construction. Margaret Pitt-Morison ran a history course; Peter Bruechle taught introduction to engineering problems associated with building. Plumbing consultants were part-time visiting lecturers. Some of the attitudes from Perth Tech were carried over to WAIT and thence to UWA. The studio teaching method was popular around the world. A lot of students liked to build models. A three dimensional model was used to explain to clients how the building would look. Computer design has now replaced the need for models.&#13;
17:03	When Peter came to UWA, Roger Johnson was Head of School. There was no Professor as such because Professor Gordon Stephenson was busy doing other things. The department was located in temporary ex-army buildings near the Sunken Garden. In second year, Peter had approximately 15-20 students; often the majority were females. A few dropped off during the course and had to repeat years. It was a demanding course. The students would do their studio work after hours to complete projects. Each student had a work station and a drawing board. The course did not include a practical component but Peter took his 2nd year students to building sites at weekends to reinforce the lectures. He also took students to Rottnest for sketching and he held an art week at York where they did clay modelling, painting and live drawing classes to develop their artistic skills.&#13;
23:21	UWA had a number of visiting lecturers as they had a limited staff ratio and budget. The visitors could take subjects that the staff did not have the skill to teach. Peter did not attend staff meetings until he became full-time. John White came from WAIT. Roger Johnson was Gordon Stephenson’s planning assistant in the plan for UWA. Cal Green was a general lecturer. Derek Carruthers brought his expertise in acoustics to the school and headed up building science. Geoff Roy was the computer whizz. Peter did a sabbatical year in Britain and visited offices that were using computers. &#13;
27:18	When Peter was teaching at UWA the only architectural courses in Perth were run by WAIT and UWA. When the School of Architecture at UWA started in 1968, it was agreed that they would accept Fourth Year students from WAIT. Peter thought both courses were equally good. David Stanton from WAIT published some good works and Peter consulted with him on issues to do with course work. The courses were similar. Town Planning was not a strongly developed unit at UWA despite the interest of Professor Gordon Stephenson. It would have been covered in the course on professional practice. Planning legislation would have been taught in 5th year. Landscape architecture was taught part-time by the university landscape architect. Roger Johnson devised the colour scheme for the UWA buildings being cream and orange.&#13;
33:13	A visiting lecturer who came from Denmark espoused that buildings could claim the site or merge with the site. The students were taught “good mannered” architecture – i.e. to be sensitive to the streetscape. In the days before exhaust fans, designing buildings was quite tricky due to regulations regarding ventilation and light. Designing a building to take account of sunshade and shade was also taught.&#13;
39:17	Students sometimes had to work on joint projects. The studio situation took over the role of the tutorial and students got one to one attention. Peter did not enjoy setting exam papers. Most of the students got jobs. They did not necessarily have to become architects but could use the expertise they had learnt to take them into different areas.&#13;
43:25	Visiting scholars arrived on a fairly regular basis. Some of the UWA students did a semester in Denmark which exposed them to European architecture. A lecturer from Denmark also visited and taught studio work. The students all wanted to travel to Europe. Some Perth Tech students went to work in London straight after graduating. Architecture trends were taught in architectural history. John White, Ralph Drexel and Cal Green would have all been involved with this.&#13;
46:55	Architectural schools in Australia would be inspected each cycle (perhaps every 3-5 years) and the inspectors had to approve the course. The courses did not change much over the 13 years that Peter was teaching. The introduction of computers and building science were the biggest changes. The School was moved to its present location after Peter retired in 1985. &#13;
50:12	The School of Architecture was quite self-sufficient although Peter did mix socially with Martin Webb from Geography and Reg Moir from Agriculture. There was no inter-faculty engagement except perhaps with Engineering. Some of the students did extra units in courses outside of Architecture. Peter really enjoyed teaching his students. He often invited them to lunch and showed them the house that he had built in the final year he was at Perth Technical College. It was located at Mosman Park and had a northern exposure and sunlight control.</text>
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00:00	Peter’s father was from Switzerland. Peter’s grandfather was a mining engineer. Peter’s father was an electrician and was killed by a falling power pole in about 1954 when Peter was 22 years old. Peter was brought up by his grandmother in Welshpool and attended Queen’s Park State School. Peter’s uncle was running the electrical trades department at Perth Technical College. Peter decided to go into structures rather than become an electrician. He went to Forrest High School in Lord Street, East Perth to do his Junior. Then attended Perth Technical College for a year while Leederville Technical College was being built. Did his Leaving from Leederville Tech and won a scholarship to do Engineering at Perth Technical College. His Master was Erich Shilbury. Shirley Strickland taught Physics. After graduating, he was employed by the Architectural Department of the Public Works Department.&#13;
04:47	Perth Technical College was situated on St George’s Terrace. It had some older buildings behind it where Engineering and Chemistry were taught. There were a range of temporary buildings containing the canteen and a workshop. The Electrical Trades Department and the School of Architecture were housed in a new building on Terrace Drive. The architecture students were young whereas some of the Engineering students were mature, returned servicemen. Peter shared lectures with the architecture students and made friends with many of them which helped him later on in his career. Erich Shilbury had been a top engineer in Berlin and worked with Felix Samuely who went to work in London. Peter worked with Samuely in London later on. Shilbury had lectured in mathematics at Wesley College.&#13;
08:29	Peter graduated with an Associate in Structural Engineering (Civil) from Perth Technical College in 1953. He went to work for the Government. All of the major buildings in town were being constructed by the Public Works Department. Lew Harding was the Chief Engineer. It was a good job. Peter worked here for 2-3 years and then went to work in London. He worked with Samuely on the new American Embassy Building in Grosvenor Square and Brussels Exhibition buildings in 1958. The building work in London was more esoteric whereas the building work in Perth was more utilitarian. &#13;
13:13	Peter flew home and married his fiancée. He returned to work as a Senior Design Engineer with the Public Works Department from 1958-1961. [mobile phone rings] Peter feasted on European architecture such as the Player’s Theatre, a Victorian Music Hall. London still showed signs of bomb damage. A new town was being built at Harlow . Peter was not impressed with some of the building he saw here. Some of the construction was quite different to what he had been used to. He had had a year without pay and went back to designing high schools and such like for the Government.&#13;
18:15	Shilbury asked Peter to lecture at Perth Technical College part-time at night. He was working full-time and also running a private practice (PJ’s or private jobs) which you weren’t supposed to do. He took over Shilbury’s final year classes when he was on long service leave. Each government building was designed by a government architect. The principal architect was A E (Paddy) Clare. Government cadetships trained many of the architects around town. Architects and structural engineers worked together on buildings. Norm Gilchrist was the second in charge and became a partner in Bruechle Gilchrist and Evans. Peter also worked on State housing such as the block of flats on the corner of Hay and Outram Streets, West Perth. Neville Coulter was the architect.&#13;
24:51	Peter left the government in 1961 and set up in private practice. He rented a room in an office owned by architects Gus Ferguson and Tony Brand. The office was in St George’s House, now The Terrace Hotel. Brand &amp; Ferguson broke up later and Tony Brand went to Forbes and Fitzhardinge as their chief design architect. Peter started taking over more and more of the building and went into partnership with Norm Gilchrist and Ernie Evans. The firm grew and they later moved to new premises in South Perth. Eric Moyle paid Peter for work he hadn’t done to keep him afloat. Moyle later left architecture and became an artist. Peter worked with Ken Broadhurst on car parks and the grandstand at Subiaco.&#13;
29:20	Structural engineers at the time were Don Fraser, Leon Halpern and George Kadifa. Peter had some issues with Gordon Barrett-Hill but they became friends. Now there are lots of engineers and architects.&#13;
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00:00	There were two ways to become an architect before the School of Architecture opened at UWA in 1968. You could do a course at Perth Tech or you could study for the Board exams. Peter ran private classes in structures for the Board students. The Board students were thought inferior to the Perth Tech students and all of them later compared to university educated students. &#13;
04:36	The first lecturer at the School of Architecture at UWA was Lew Harding. Gordon Stephenson asked Peter to lecture part-time in structures. Peter had designed part of the Physics building at UWA and had got to know Gordon. Peter also did the structure for the Economics building and Marshall Clifton was the architect. Gus Ferguson was the architect for the Law School and Peter designed the structure. There were about 6-8 staff members: John White, Cal Green, John Cullen, Peter Grigg and Professor Hugo Brunt. Structures were regarded as an offshoot. Architecture students did not enjoy the subject so Peter tried to make it interesting and relevant. He took them to building sites such as Central Park. People involved with Central Park would also give lectures. External people also gave lectures in Peter’s course such as Ken Baker from Halpern Glick, George Kadifa, Gordon Barrett-Hill and Wally King, the State Manager of Leighton.&#13;
10:54	The core components of the course were materials, applied mechanics and how structures work, sizing hints and so on. Structures did not work in with the utilities. The services tend to run the design concept today. It is a lot more integrated now that computers are used. Peter stopped teaching in 1997. He felt that once computers became popular in the early 90s that he should move on. They did not use models. Computers enable people to design things because they can rather than because they should! He is not a fan of Frank Gehry! Peter feels buildings should have function.&#13;
16:38	The Law School at UWA is a first class building. Peter is also enamoured of Allendale Square. He is proud of Central Park. Problems around the building of the core of Central Park were used as a practical demonstration tool for the students. Buildings are problematic after 30 stories. They have to be built strong enough to withstand wind and earthquake, etc. To compensate for that, you need to have a strong core to stiffen the building.&#13;
22:00	There is an art to designing really tall buildings. Peter worked on Emirates Tower in Dubai. Emerging communities build tall buildings to show off their prowess but they are not particularly practical.&#13;
26:28	Exams were mandatory and Peter set the papers and marked them. He did not enjoy this but he does think that it is a good system of testing. Exams were just part of assessment and the students also did assignments as well. &#13;
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00:00	Peter was impressed with the early buildings at UWA but some of the government buildings at UWA were done to budget. Gordon Stephenson employed architects that would design buildings more sympathetic to the university environment. Gus Ferguson designed the Law School and the Guild Building. Roger Johnson was the architect for the Economics School. Peter worked with Roger as design engineer on this building. Tony Brand designed the new Music School. To avoid escalating building costs, Tony and Peter decided the building should be constructed in pre-cast concrete. This was the first (and perhaps last) time this method was used on the UWA campus. Peter had been pushing for this material to be used more widely. Central Park and Exchange Plaza were both built with pre-cast concrete. The audio requirements of the Music School were very strict. Some of the modern buildings were the Engineering School designed by Gordon Finn. Peter was involved with some of the structure for the Physics Building when he was still working for the government. Many of these architects were influenced by modern design.&#13;
06:19	The School of Architecture was located in make-shift buildings off Fairway. The new school was designed by Gus Ferguson. Physics and Chemistry were done by Public Works. Peter does not like some of the modern buildings designed today. He regards the Law School as being very people friendly. Gus Ferguson spent a lot of time developing off-form materials. The Law School is highly regarded. Off-form concrete was very popular in England. The first off-form concrete building constructed in Australia was Hale School War Memorial Hall. Gus Ferguson was the architect. Inside, he made panels of bomb craters in concrete. He used the materials for the Law School in a different way to make it more liveable. There was a great deal of experimentation done in order to get the right colour concrete. Part of the Economics School was built in off form concrete. &#13;
12:24	The Arts Building was designed by Marshall Clifton. The engineer was Don Fraser. They had problems with the foundations. The Law School foundations were dug out and taken away and compacted sand was used for the new foundations. It was cheaper than digging holes. There was once a well on the site so it had to be blocked up. Today the problem would be solved by piling. The Sports Centre was designed by Gus Ferguson to a budget. It has an off form concrete frame with brick structure. Gordon Stephenson wanted all the buildings on campus to link together. Peter was not involved with the new School of Architecture building.&#13;
16:54	The buildings at Murdoch university were designed by Gus Ferguson. Peter did some structures at Curtin with Gus Ferguson. A major building was the Administration Building and Tony Brand was the architect. Many of the buildings at Curtin were designed by the PWD architect using off form concrete (including the School of Architecture). Architecture is very much subject to the fashions of the time. The Reid Library at UWA was designed by Cameron Chisholm &amp; Nicol. It is similar to the National Library in Canberra. &#13;
21:28	When Gordon Finn designed the engineering school the buildings had roof trusses. Peter learned how to use rigid frames – now known as portal frames. Ferguson used boards with grooves in to hold them together with a slip tongue. Later, compressible plastic foam was used to minimise leakage. Laminated timber did not take off due to problems with the glues. The arches at Hale School are laminated timber. Innovations always cost a lot of money until it is worked out how to do it properly. Pre-cast concrete was used successfully in the Arabian Gulf. Floor could be erected very quickly.&#13;
28:08	The climate in the Middle East is very harsh and regulations not as strict. The building industry in Australia is now over-regulated. Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. The concrete was mixed with ice in the Middle East. Most of the concreting took place from 11pm when it was cooler. Desert winds blow sand and dust into the cities. When Peter first went to Dubai in 1972 it was very primitive. At that time, Saudi Arabia was the place that was developing. The tallest building in Dubai was the Hilton Hotel which was 2 storeys. When he returned in 1997 he was amazed by the changes. Peter worked on the Emirates Tower with Derek Robson from Multiplex. There were problems with the concrete that had to be sorted out.&#13;
40:15	Construction is a team game and needs to be played as such. Low fees mean people cut corners. Clear lines of authority and responsibility must be established. The construction of Kewdale High School was a team effort. Peter is regularly invited to arbitrate in construction disputes. The Redemptorist Retreat House in North Perth is a new building constructed from old bricks. Rob Campbell turned Fremantle Asylum into an Arts Centre. All the floors needed re-doing. The chimneys and roof structures had to be strengthened. Peter’s rule in BG&amp;E was they could do things they didn’t like and make money; they could do things they liked and lose money; but that they wouldn’t do things that they didn’t like and lose money!&#13;
47:47	Peter loved many of his jobs particularly the Music and Law Schools at UWA; Exchange Plaza and of course Central Park due to its innovation. Traditional buildings and Roman and Japanese architecture are inspirational. Inspirational design engineers were Erich Shilbury, Felix Samuely, Norm Gilchrist and Ernest Evans.&#13;
54:06	Climate was a factor in construction projects in the North West due to extreme heat or cyclones. Peter was involved with the construction of accommodation at Newman for Leightons. Sir Charles Court insisted that these were permanent towns. Peter also designed a railway tower and shunting yard. Eco sensitive building was never part of the brief, although in Newman he suggested houses be built with concrete materials sourced locally rather than bricks from Perth. Kingston Tower in Canberra was built with pre-cast concrete made in South Australia. &#13;
01:01:19	Peter finds adjudicating on construction matters very difficult as the system is so adversarial. He has recently been made an Honorary Fellow of the Institute of Engineers. He would like to see more teamwork in the construction industry and more selection on merit rather than on money.&#13;
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00:00:00 Introduction. Background, South Australia. Scholarship and Adelaide University. PhD at UWA. Davies, economic history and university housing. Economics. University days in Adelaide. Staff student interaction. &#13;
00:05:00 Changes. Interactions. Impressions of UWA. Comparisons to Melbourne and Sydney – Reg encourages people to come to UWA. Memories of Reg Appleyard leader of the group. Anglophile system. Petridis*. Travel from Perth. &#13;
00:10:00 Appleyard’s sales pitch. Ease of living in Perth, isolation. Micro economics. David Treloar. Environmental economics. Impressions of the university, comparisons to Adelaide. Architecture. &#13;
00:17:05 Budgetary restraints and entitlements. Working environment. Academic community at UWA. Tradition of morning tea. People interact with one another.&#13;
00:20:00 Student/staff relations. MBA students. Age of staff and students. Logically entitled to be here. Concerns of getting on the map. Part of the community. Perth isolated. Festival and world class or back water.&#13;
00:24:00 Creativity. Establishing a high quality MBA program. Interfaculty relations. Isolated faculties. Sporting competitions and social aspect. Trying to reduces layers of administration. Law, Education, Economics – Faculty of Economics, Commerce and Law. Super-Faculty doesn’t exist in the same way today. &#13;
00:30:30 Sharing facilities and buildings becomes too difficult. Direction of the Faculty. Regulations. Increasing the options and units available. Disciplines, core and peripheral subjects. Agricultural and environment.&#13;
00:35:40 Ken Clements, the research centre and economic research. Structures at the university. Connections with business. WA Government and Brianne Burke and gold tax. &#13;
00:38:50 Ken Clements from Chicago, desire for research. Mainstream economics. Micro and macro. Ken a leader in the group. PhD conference. Roger Bowden*. International reputation. Qualitative skills. Building the links. Unemployed academic. &#13;
00:45:30 David Treloar agricultural economics. UWA person. Sense of what is important. Head of Department. Passionate for students. Stickler for rules. Life was sport. Reg was interested in the big picture. &#13;
00:49:00 Douglas Vickers. Strict and straight-laced. Devout Christian. Everything is about work. Everybody has their place. US course focus. Intellectual pursuits. &#13;
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00:00:00 Paintings. Frazer Waters* and the War over Israel. Modigliani print. Intimate university. Social interactions. Each faculty has broadened its view on things. WA’s cross-disciplinary decision. &#13;
00:04:20 Diversity of courses. cooperation and interfaculty entrepreneurial. Evolution of courses. Variety of students. Cross-faculty work. Academic connection. Change. Students branch out. &#13;
00:07:05 CBRA* and the Americas cup. Interface into the wide world. University connections and applied research. State government commissions research for planning the America’s Cup. Sponsors from well-regarded corporates. Sponsors and the impact on the city. &#13;
00:11:20 Interviewing the Gucci and the syndicate. Solutions. Early career people and corporate analysis. Government and market research. Perth is showcased. Incredible technology. &#13;
00:15:50 Cottesloe beach. Attractiveness of UWA to the business community. Participation of teaching with classes. Better understanding of university. Businesses attached to the university. CBRA and applied research. Repository of all information. Love - hate relationships and isolated university. Resources are needed from business. &#13;
00:21:56 CBRA. Current Business School. Board meeting and academics. Car parking and coffee. Connections. Mining companies and the university. Work connections. Small issues with CBRA. &#13;
00:25:28 Community and international eyes on UWA. Things change over time. Relationship with Asia. Business School attracting students from Hong Kong and Asia. UWA reputation. &#13;
00:28:55 Attraction of UWA for international students. People important in the spear head of UWAs internationalisation. Darrell Turkington* belief in attracting students from Asia. Bruce Macintosh* and international centre. &#13;
00:032:28 MBA fair in America – putting self out there. Punching above your weight. Sandstone university. Function for graduates in Asia are well attended. UWA reputation and good degree was highly regarded. Paul Johnston and Alan Robson. &#13;
00:38:10 Alan Robson. Graduation student from Asia and Robson doesn’t stand on ceremony. Alan relates to the institutions. &#13;
00:41:53 Nurturing of the Business School at the university. Revenue is moved away to other things. University management of funding. The problems of the super faculty. One of the oldest MBA program. Underutilised base at the university. &#13;
00:46:04 Nurturing takes place and recognition. World class Business School and the value of the faculty to the university. &#13;
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00:00:00 Development of the Business School. Revamping the Faculty of Commerce and the Business School. WA Business School. Approaches to the outside world. David Johnstone knew the university inside and out&#13;
00:03:35 Other faculties and the new building. Solutions for money and new building. Tennis court site and Business School site. Purpose-built building. &#13;
00:07:52 Logical to give the Business School a new location. Benefits of the southern end of the school. Parking. River views and access. Crunching numbers and student projection and overseas funding. Traditional or modern vision of the building. &#13;
00:11:20 Tradition of the school. Modern statements. Architects asked to make projections. A turning point for the Business School. Facilities for students. Fulfilling objective and coping with numbers. Different style of building. Zone problems and modern planning. Clients and staff. &#13;
00:16:48 Clients students and community relationships. Relating to students in a different way. Talking to the staff. Students and the change in dynamic. &#13;
00:19:48 Change in dynamic and the change in technology. Contact with students. Turning point and the virtual university. Need to be on campus. Lecture on line. Do staff need to have an office at UWA. Globalisation. &#13;
00:24:11 Nature of large institutions. University of Strathclyde. Online students and international students. interacting and turning up to university. Changes to peoples offices. Everything on the computer. No books in the office. Need for a library. &#13;
00:27:58 Earliest research projects. Advertising and tobacco. Applied policy oriented research. Research into rents and river views. Natural research problems. Harvesting fish stocks. Reigning in the commercial catch. Licensed and recreation fishers. Policy fishing. Working out models. Research graphs recreational and commercial – sustainable harvest. Abalone and snapper fish populations. &#13;
00:35:45 Rock lobster fishing and stocks. Understanding catching fish and chasing fish. Rational behaviour. &#13;
00:39:11 Looking at career and retirement. Changes in retirement from university and social sciences. Internationalisation and university position and rankings. Isolated city running with people on the world stage. Mining and eyes on WA. Shipping and the university. &#13;
00:44:50 Historically a part of Asia. Ahead of its time. challenge to be positioned well. China Singapore and Hong Kong. Pushed along by the changes. Strategically heading off.&#13;
00:47:44 Reasons that changes occur. White papers tell that Asia is appointment. The University’s strategic plan. Dependence. Student and staff members view for UWAs future. Good track record. Wealthiest economy in the world. Mining boom and WA University. Economy and struggle and UWA in a good position. Campus has a lot of advantages.</text>
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00:00:00 Paul James Lloyd born in Shropshire. Coming to Australia 1971 and schooling. Hopes to study architecture and accounting. Degree choices, career paths. Commerce degree. Impressions of University of Western Australia. Save the Children Book Sale. Bursar at Thomas More. Stepping it another world. Impressions of University of Western Australia and Murdoch University. &#13;
00:05:50 Thoughts of Murdoch University. Thoughts of degree choice. Memories of coming to University of Western Australia. Enrolment process of the 1980s. Orientation process and classes. Finding your way through UWA. &#13;
00:09:35 Initial transition and shock. Preparation, students and academic work, doing work and the experience. Academic qualifications and motivating self. Community of University of Western Australia. Students and lectures. Connection to tutors and staff – lecturers as people. Staff and clients today. Delusion of students as a client. Marking and performance measures. &#13;
00:15:55 More concerned with the individual. Thoughts of a developing career. Part-time Masters study. And part-time tutoring. Ongoing job at University of Western Australia. Direction of career. Different process for employment of academics. Tutoring and lecturing. University is a place for a career. Comparing work in the corporate world. &#13;
00:22:45 Thoughts of student and employee at University of Western Australia. Memories of the university in the 1990s. Hierarchical system. The benign hierarchy and the god professor system. Knowing your place at the university. &#13;
00:29:20 Not meant to speak. Understanding by example. The social benefits of the university. A 9-5 place. Being a student was a full time job. Expectation to be around the place. Comparison to the student of today. Part-time work. Interaction with the tutor and students. &#13;
00:34:20 Treasurer of University House. Memories of University House. The University House committee. The bar and menu. Comments Complaints book. Social interactions. Interfaculty relations encouraged. Bar manager goes to gaol. &#13;
00:40:55 Inter-faculty relations. The warring factions. A unified whole portrayed to the community. Faculty interactions and faculty meetings. Self-serving faculties. &#13;
00:47:06 The reputation of the University. Pride in traditionalism. Curtin, Murdoch and the real university. Needs of the struggling student and the survival of the fittest. Competing with other universities. Not as easy for the successful self-motivated students to distinguish themselves.&#13;
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00:00:00 Moving into the role of lecturer and views of the student of the 1990s. Attracting less-motivated students. Lower achievers in the range. Changes in assessing and teaching. Building students up from the basics. Lower entry scores, student quality drop. The question of money. Fees and home circumstances affecting the students. Incurring a debt. Getting the degree as fast as possible. Students self-funding. Different units and different HECS debts. &#13;
00:06:20 Changes to the business school. The trans-Atlantic name. Small management subject. Much smaller structure. Dean elected by the faculty. Drifting into a managerial approach. Grouping faculties. Grouped with law and education. Changes to the election system and the structures merge. Paul McLeod*. Moving toward a larger model. &#13;
00:10:50 Buildings and infrastructure. Design by P&amp;O. Explanation of the buildings. The change to the management authority, immediacy of interaction between staff and students. Security. Working from home. The loss of the community. University meetings conducted at the morning tea. &#13;
00:15:30 The management of the University. Boards and committees. Changes and the Learning and Teaching Committee. Faculty board. Board of Studies and Academic Council. Changes and decisions made well in advance. Talking with some meaningful outcome. Leadership and Vice Chancellor Smith. Fay Gale. Faculty did not have an easy relationship with Fay Gale. Restructure and merger. Opposing the Vice Chancellery. Success of the Faculty in opposing change. Dept VC Roy Lourens. Bob Wood’s impression of Samson. Dissolving structure. &#13;
00:20:55 Bob Wood has a difficult relationship with accounting and finance. Setting of course materials, salary loading and market demand. A great deal of tension in University centrally. Allan Robson dvc and VC. Schreuder*. Allan Robson instigates new structure. People broadly happy. Decisions without Faculty interaction. Layers of bureaucracy – academics have less input. Larger bureaucracy and government reporting. &#13;
00:24:43 Allan Robson and the modern movement of the University. Predecessor did not change things the same way. Paul Johnson and his direction. University’s financial approach. Serving on Academic Board. Elected member. The system of the voting and decision-making on the academic board. Academic Council more operational. Elected to board and within the board. Interest in policy making and nominating. &#13;
00:30:37 Experiences of initiatives at the Business School. Name change. Ken Robertson. Perceptions of the school. Paul McLeod and the new building. Old perceptions of the front door and the sheep pens. Renovations and locations for the new school. Tracey Haughton*. Concerns about the design. Restructuring of Faculty. The Graduate School of Management &amp; School of Economics and Commerce. &#13;
00:37:40 First time for the restructure happening from within. New course structure. Postgraduate offerings and future initiatives. Rewriting the MBA rules. Slow evolutionary system. Overall University structure. Structures of the BCom. &#13;
00:43:27 Personal ability to do academic work. Tutor and lecturer and administration. Course structures and assessing learning directives. Lecturers and extra duties. Growth in administrative responsibility. Interactions and specific individual skills. Formal performance measures. Accountability. &#13;
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00:00:00 Ideas of internationalisation of University of Western Australia. The change of emphasis. Contacts with polytechnics in Singapore. Working harder to maintain 20% of international students. Full time international negotiators employed. Reason for changes. Expense associated with studying in Australia. Projections of the University ranking. In the Group of 8. &#13;
00:04:32 Paul Johnson* and the international standing. The success of the response to change. Technology and online courses. Stanford University and interaction. Lectures online. Gradual evolution, Second Life and online word. Virtual university. The University experience about more than just a degree. Removing structural barriers. Bureaucracy and the academics’ time. Annual development report writing. &#13;
00:12:00 Encouragement of leadership and of staff. University of Western Australia on a global scale. Number 96. Ratings and impact. Nobel Prize winner. Building beyond a community outside Australia. Specialization using target areas. MBA in mining. Change in the collective character of the staff. Long-term and staff moving on. Staff career path. &#13;
00:18:15 Personal future and direction. Enjoying the job. Concerns and question of the new student. Idea and exchange. Few examples of discipline and misconduct. The character of the school system. Students less self-effacing. Students have a greater sense of self. &#13;
00:23:12 Recollections of misconduct. PROSH pranks and the shiny new Volvo. Hole dug in the terrace and the lobster. The nature of the sense of camaraderie. Fewer characters at the university. Barriers and sense of fun. Demands on time. Sense of community and sense of home. Entering the system and leaving the institution.&#13;
00:30:21 Looking back on the experience to date. The university on the edge of the world. University of Western Australia technology and international image perception. Phrase that springs to mind. UNIVERSITY. The University that does not need qualification.&#13;
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0.35	Statement of name, date and place of birth. Early childhood in Northam where father was an Anglican priest and mother came from farming family in the area. Moved to Perth at the age of six; boarding at Perth College. Impressions of life as a weekly boarder, life as a student. Memories of enjoying drawing geometry diagrams. &#13;
3.29	Art classes at Perth College, memories of one art teacher in particular – Robert Juniper. Place of art at home and childhood memories of father’s interest in art; mother’s creativity.&#13;
5.44	Left school at 15, did secretarial course while waiting to do nursing. Did two out of three years of nursing, decided not to pursue it as a career. Spent a year in Canberra as matron in boarding school. Returned to Perth and further office jobs.&#13;
8.17	1961: first overseas trip. Visited galleries with friends. Traveled to Canada, worked in a variety of jobs. Went to New York from Canada, visited several exhibitions. Photographed Guernica – strong memory of difficulty of photographing large scale work. Traveled from east coast of Canada to west coast by train.&#13;
10.35	Returned to Perth, 1962. More office work. Friends encouraged participation in adult education art classes at University of Western Australia. First teacher was William Boissevain. One of earliest paintings was of reflections in pool beside Undercroft. Continued adult education classes with Henry Froudist in Howard St, Perth, later on in a building on the corner of Milligan St and Hay St. Spent many years learning to paint with Henry Froudist, a Polish artist. Froudist inspired Miriam with idea of art as a commitment. Very encouraging of her work. Portrait classes held on Saturday mornings: sitters consisted of well known Perth entities including John Farnsworth Hall, Professor Ida Mann, Elizabeth Durack. Beginnings of idea that art could become a lifetime pursuit, encouraged by both Froudist and parents.&#13;
15.36	1967, established own gallery, the Rhode Gallery in Shenton Park. Showed young WA artists: Geoffrey Wake, Edith McNamara. Guy Grey Smith very supportive. Miriam not good at sales – too busy painting at back of gallery. Contemporary Society of Arts started in mid 60s. Guy Grey Smith president – organized interstate exhibitions. Members included John Tonkinson, Bill Hawthorn, Philippa O’Brian. Miriam was secretary of CSA.&#13;
17.47	Taking over Guy Grey Smith’s art therapy classes at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital and Heathcote. Guy Grey Smith and Miriam put up posters around the hospitals – this was before hospitals had acquisitions programs. Miriam was teaching and running her gallery at same time. Rhode Gallery named after father’s village in Northern Ireland. Gallery closed in 1967, taken over by Hesling Archer. Miriam continued to put her art into competitions.&#13;
20.38	1970: won Albany Art Prize, judged by Professor Bernard Smith, leading to seven month stay in Paris and use of studio there. Produced body of work in Paris, largely experimental, influenced by Victor Vasarely, Bridget Riley, American abstract painters. Enjoyed exhibitions in Paris, particularly one of frescoes from Florence. Lived and worked very near Notre Dame, attended free concerts there. Church music and choral music part of her background – mother used to be pianist and organist. Saw Chagall at a Matisse exhibition. Did several drawings in the underground – fascinated by perspective of people against large wall posters. Regrets not bringing more work back to Perth. May have destroyed too many of her own works. Travelled to London, visited places where Constable had painted.&#13;
27.10	Returned to Perth, more part time work; offered night time teaching classes at various technical colleges. Earlier solo show, 1969, at Old Fire Station. Rie Heymans very supportive of WA artists – very important figure in art world. Exhibiting at UWA in group exhibitions; first solo show at UWA in 1976 in Nolan Room.&#13;
29.08	Beginnings of interstate exhibitions in Melbourne and Sydney, starting with Tolarno Galleries in Melbourne. Works included crisscross writing series as well as large paintings of Kodak slides.&#13;
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31.35	Paris a turning point – felt she could develop own voice from that point. Influenced by ideas of conceptual movement, but not particular styles. Support from key people in art world – Patrick McCaughey, Charles and Barbara Blackman.&#13;
33.22	1980, married Tom Gibbons. Met Tom through Rie Heymans. Very different backgrounds. Both interested in the everyday. Tom interested in pop art, Miriam more interested in landscape. Complimentary way of working together. Interest in photography rekindled following visit to exhibition in Venice in 1979 with Tom. Had previously developed black and white prints in her teens. ‘Swung over’ to photography for several years. Printed her own work – created dark room in bathroom.&#13;
37.10	Late 80s: bush survival course. Wanted to relate to Australian landscape. Memories of survival course. Loved getting into the landscape. Survival course triggered ideas for photographic works as well as paintings. Fascinated by disasters of Australian outback – bushfires, floods, cyclones. Earlier photographs to do with history, newspapers; flood motif strong in painting. Many works relate to religion, biblical stories. Stations of the Cross shown at Art Gallery of Western Australia (AGWA). Viewers see different things, regardless of religion. Religious background part of identity. Wide use of Christian symbols. Reviews of her work - neither agrees nor disagrees with them. Work not visually the same, even though themes are the same.&#13;
43.54	1990: bought campervan, loved going off on her own. Work from this period about looking at ground, not broader views. Looks at evidence of human existence on the ground. Telescope in campervan. Belonged to astronomy group. Mesmerised by beauty of stars, subtlety of colours. &#13;
47.11	2000: Artist in Residence, Kellerberrin, through International Art Space (formerly IASKA). Kellerberrin near grandfather’s property at Tammin. Connection between people who started IASKA at Kellerberrin and grandfather’s farm. Felt at home in the town. Grandfather had given land for Tammin cemetery. Stations of the Cross series put up in church at Easter.&#13;
49.20	Key exhibitions: 1989 AGWA survey show (Perception 1969-1989), John Stringer’s comment; 2006, John Curtin Gallery, Curtin University; major show of photographs - Words in the Landscape, Lawrence Wilson Gallery, 1993. Impressed with professionalism of all the people involved in mounting her exhibitions. Forthcoming exhibition at Lawrence Wilson Gallery – in 2016 – to deal with work of previous 10 years.&#13;
52.00	Currently working with photography, security series – to do with vision. Began with home burglary. Origins of focus on sight/seeing things – Froudist’s influence. Greatest artistic influences – mixed lot – Turner, Giotto; Mondrian, Magritte.</text>
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                <text>Miriam Helen Stannage was born in 1939 in Northam, where her father was the Anglican priest. Her mother came from a farming family in the area. At the age of five, the family moved to Perth, where Miriam attended Perth College as a weekly boarder. She recalls one particular art teacher at Perth College – Robert Juniper – and as a child, remembers her father’s strong interest in art. In later years, her parents were very encouraging of her art practice.&#13;
After leaving school, Miriam did secretarial and nursing training and traveled overseas. On her return to Perth she began evening art classes with William Boissevain, then Henry Froudist, while supporting herself with secretarial work. &#13;
In 1965 she opened her own gallery, the Rhode Gallery, and formed the Contemporary Art Society with Guy Grey Smith. After winning the Albany Art Prize in 1970, Miriam took up the offer of the use of a studio space in Paris, where she lived and worked for several months. That experience was a key turning point in her art practice, and could be seen as the springboard for the development of her future work. She has exhibited extensively since opening the Rhode Gallery, in both solo and group exhibitions in Western Australia and nationally.&#13;
In 1990 Miriam bought a campervan and telescope. For several years she traveled throughout the state on her own, painting and using photography to create works, while developing her interest in the night sky.&#13;
The Art Gallery of Western Australia held a retrospective of her works in 1989 entitled Perception 1969-1989. In 2006 the John Curtin Gallery at Curtin University presented an exhibition of her work from 1989 to 2006 called Sensations. A retrospective of her work from the last 10 years is to be held at the Lawrence Wilson Gallery in 2016.&#13;
Miriam cites Turner, Giotto, Magritte and Mondrian as key artistic influences.</text>
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00:00:00 Introduction background information. Athel Hobbs. Architect and Soldier. Desires to do architecture. Abortive year at architecture and starting medicine at UWA. Initial impression of UWA as a student. Residential college in Adelaide. &#13;
00:06:10 Making the quota. Undue stress and the general first year since degree. Memories of the Vice Chancellor Currie. Being on campus and the educative view of the world. Rowing at the University Boat Club. Community. University Liberal club. Memories of the ULC float. Frightened to do engineering because of rough initiations. &#13;
00:11:50 Students stay all day at UWA. Second year experiences at Adelaide. Integrating and self-sufficiency. Field of medicine specialisation. Undistinguished academic experiences. professorial team at Royal Perth Hospital. Specialising in internal medicine. &#13;
00:15:39 Memories and knowledge of Eric Saint and Dick Lefroy. Establishment of medical school. Book – On good Doctoring Eric Saint. Mentor. The contrast between public health system. Professors control the system. Laurie Robson*. Restraints. Suspicions of Eric Saint. Bob Godfrey puts together a team at the Children’s hospital. Attempt to increase standards. &#13;
00:21:26 Saint and Lefroy adopt a good philosophy. Inspired to work with Saint and Lefroy. Artificial kidney introduced by Lefroy. Pass exams for College of Physicians. In charge of medical unit. Deputy medical superintendent. &#13;
00:22:50 University of Western Australia in the world. 1964 experiences of going to Oxford. Donald Aitchison*. Nuffield Department of Medicine. Mike McCall.* Survey of Multiple Sclerosis. Seeing the medical school and the working of medicine. Doing a DPHil. &#13;
00:27:00 Coming back to Perth in 1967. Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital chest hospital and general hospital. Bob Elphick medical team deputy. Epidemiology and social medicine. Nothing like this is Perth. Coming back to do epidemiology research interests. Reader at Monash. Staying in Perth. Vacancy at University of Western Australia Associate Professor. 1970. Fledgling movement for development of social medicine. &#13;
00:30:54 Memories of Aitchison.* creating a picture of UWA in the 1960s. Changes to the university seen and discussed. Preclinical sites. Sinclair and Simmons. The culture of Royal Perth Hospital. King Edward Memorial and Princess Margaret Hospital.&#13;
00:33:40 Deals done for University land and University-based medical centre. University and non-University people. Research orientation. Relying on permanent medical staff. Contentious issue of payment of surgeons. Associate Professor of Epidemiology. Approach in clinical teaching. Students and patients and the calibre of student. &#13;
00:37:30 Currie, Prescott and Whelan. support from the university administration. Allan Robson’s outstanding support. The importance of funding for the university and personal career. Triennial funding and grants. Whitlam collapse changes the situation. Canberra and primary care and general practice. Max Kamien. Staying on in the University Department of Medicine. Commonwealth state funding for the unit of clinical epidemiology in the 1970s.&#13;
00:40:20 Importance of funding for research in clinical epidemiology. Developing teaching programs at Royal Perth and Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. Major problems in development in public health. NH and MRC research funding. Bruce Armstrong and Fiona Stanley. Laurie Beilin sympathetic to a separate school. In the late 1980s the Commonwealth give funding for development of epidemiology and research for Masters in Public Health degrees.&#13;
00:42:00 Setting up public health at University of Western Australia and separate department in public health. Memories of Laurie Beilin. Royal Perth Hospital funded posts. Most successful academic at University of Western Australia. NH &amp; MRC projects set up. Social concerns of Laurie Beilin* and Max Kamien. Dick Lefroy founds geriatric services. &#13;
00:46:40 Memories of Fiona Stanley overseas training fellowship in NH &amp; MRC. Comes back to work at Charles Gairdner. Takes on the peri natal study. Forms and institute instrumental in medical record linkage in Western Australia. The outcomes of the linkage. Longitudinal studies of health, state-wide hospital reporting system. Bill Davidson. Darcy Holman*. Support of Lotteries Commission. Cancer register – mental health services register - deaths and other linked study. Health services research. Infant mortality. Money becomes available at the right time. &#13;
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00:00:00 Eric Saint – central to the development of the medical school. Turned into the Sir Charles Gairdner site and the University hospital. Fremantle Hospital. Gordon Stevenson plan. Commissioner of public health and state functions of the university. Joint work with university people and state laboratory people. Problems ensue. Richard Court and Michael McCall*. Revitalisation of the service. &#13;
00:05:00 Charles Gairdner grows as a hospital and the main focus of the University dep. Rivalries with Royal Perth. Hospitals polarize splitting of the health department, hospitals have own appointments and chairs. Hospital politics. Experience of Wittenoom recalled. Eric Saint recognises industrial disaster in the 1950s. Jim McNalty* health minister. Long term follow up study. Brice Armstrong and Bill Musk. Eric’s deep social concern.&#13;
00:11:51 University of Western Australia and the Whitlam government, concern for social and community health. Director of Epidemiology. Health services epidemiology vs. clinical. Support for Dick Lefroy and Fiona Stanley. Seeing the community of University change. Chair in Neurology. &#13;
00:16:50 University and honorary academic titles. Research and the perinatal deaths and work done at Oxford elaborated on. University of Western Australia and international collaboration and World Health Organisation Project. MONICA Project. Registers of heart attack. Clear national differences and risk factors and randomised controls. MONIC steering committee. Wittenoom.&#13;
00:25:40 Seeing the growth of University of Western Australia and development of population health. Findings of health outcomes in prisoners. Aboriginal prisoners and health. Aboriginal/non-Aboriginal health comparison study. Professor Sandy Thomson* - interest in Indigenous health Judy Kastenberg*. Following people through their history of heart attack and associated illness. Social index. &#13;
00:32:44 Global analysis of technological change in health. Project out of Stanford. &#13;
00:36:29 Inaugural Head of Department of Public Health. Population issues and clinical medicine. Money and support. Commonwealth support. Laurie Beilin. Increase in brain mass and intellectual stimulation and postgraduate students. Chair in Public Health. University of Western Australia school in an up phase. Department and school in its own right. Amalgamation with social work. &#13;
00:42:30 Administration and leverage. David Fletcher* and Fremantle Hospital collaboration. Perinatal studies, geriatric services, gall bladder, heart disease and record linkage. &#13;
00:47:43 University of Western Australia global standing. &#13;
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00:00:00 Involvement with scientific and professional associations. Royal Australia College of Physicians, Faculty of Public Health Medicine, Public Health Association of Australia, Australasian Epidemiological Association. Australian Medical Association. Involvement with the Silver Chain Nursing Association. Work for the Department of Health. Home and community care program. The HAC program. &#13;
00:04:26 Implicit understanding to be involved in community organisations. Order of Australia Medal. Starting professional associations. The Australian Epidemiological Association. Population medicine. Growth of Medical School. Advocacy. Curriculum review. &#13;
00:07:50 Quoting Eric Saint on the more affluent years of the 1960s. The ‘halcyon period’. Sidney Sax brings a social perspective to organisation of the health services. NH&amp;MRC grants RAD* grants. Support of students and placement of individuals abroad and at home.&#13;
00:11:00 Fiona Stanley and Bruce Armstrong go onto bigger things. Teaching and advice. Change of the sense of community. Changes in technology and affects at the university. Difficult to enthuse undergraduate medical students. The changing face of the university student. &#13;
00:17:05 Areas of success in student medical research. International students. Problems with the education of Malaysian students. UWA and the international arena. &#13;
00:22:45 Recognition of low numbers of medical students. Pressures of increased student numbers. Competition between universities and the academic standing of University of Western Australia. Proposed merger with Murdoch. Good times and bad times. Views of University of Western Australia today. &#13;
00:27:02 End of session&#13;
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